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Topic: Administrative Review from May 2008
Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 28 Jul 2008
Hi,

this form belongs to the people who are applied after april 2008 with new system, that means tier 1 general migrant.
Who are got refused, they have the chance to appeal, administrative review.

Please people who on the process of administrative review, please share your experince and the result here. thanks
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 28 Jul 2008
Hello,

administrative review timeline 28 days, decision are two, one is uphold the decision, second overturn the decision.
We are not allowed to send new evidance for the existing ECO decision.
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Posted by navinga (99) 28 Jul 2008
Hi ,

My EC got rejected because of funds not maintaining for 90 days. I got my HSMP approval on 23rd Jan, applied ec on 23rd of april.

Admin Review: They told wat ever decision the entry clearance officer taken is valid.

Note:ALmost 99% of admin review cases were rejected. Thats wat i have been told in the previous blogs.

Regards
NAvin G
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 28 Jul 2008
Hi Navin,

thanks for your reply, may know the details of your refusal. Actually my case i maintain the GBP 2800 for 3 months properly, but the ECO is not checked it properly.

and one more problem is i applied on May26, after that they changed some policy on fund maintenance, that means they add one more rule, the statement date is not more then 7 days.

the statement date must less than 7 days before subbmitting the application. I collected my statement may 17, applied on may 26. I don't know what will happen in the admin.review.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 28 Jul 2008
Hi all,

the uk border agency are updating their website, regularly we can't get proper idea from that. Exactly what are the changes they are making.

Even the application centre vfs guys are not helping the application verification. Just they are making money.
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Posted by ireallywish (27) 29 Jul 2008
I have filed for a review. My application got rejected because last date of my bank statement was 23rd may, while i applied on 4th of June. I was not aware of the rule that the max gap can only be 7 days. I am still awaiting the result of teh review decision.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 29 Jul 2008
Hi ireallywish,

this message from sakthi, u r case look like my case, is it possible to you to ellobarate the details of refusal, and what date u applied for the admin.review, r u taken any consultancy guidance or you made the things u r self.

Is it possible to your provide your contact no. i can contact you by mobile or phone.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 29 Jul 2008
Hi navin,

is it possible for your to provide your contact no. mobile or phone, i can call you. I need some information regarding admin. review, incase this admin.review is fail, i have to apply again.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 29 Jul 2008
Hi all,

PBS Tier 1 general migrant visa is not easy after april 2008, they are changing the rules regularly, so it's very difficult to fullfill their terms and conditions, so please share all your experince in this forum it's a great help to others.

Even we all able to know what are the exact things happening in that visa category. Integra screening?, I don't know exactly what is there role in this visa, what they are doing, there is no transparancy from their side. It's just like hide and seek.

Vfs office and integra is not helping the applicant in proper way, even they are not ready to provide the infromation which we are required to apply the visa.

Administrative review? How many peopls know exactly what's happening there. Even we can't track our administrative review application form.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 29 Jul 2008
Hi ireallywish,

my case similar like you i taken the bank statement may 17, applied may 26. But the ECO is not mentioned the date issue (7days), but he said the fund is not maintained 3 months, but i maintain the fund properly.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 30 Jul 2008
This information from dhruva :

EC REFUSED, PLEASE READ EVERYBODY...

I had prior HSMP approval obtained in Feb 2008 based on UK earnings, I went to India

and submitted my application on 25th June, stating that I need to return back to the

UK on 20th July as I am currently employed.

On 17th July I received a refusal stating:
You have submitted bank statements from 04/02/2008 till 05/06/2008, however this is

not immediately preceding the date of the application
You have submitted internet bank statements from 06/06/2008 till 23/06/2008, however

this is not accompanied by a letter from the bank.

When I applied, the rules (as on 20th June) just said that you need to submit bank

statements covering a period of 3 months (did not mention any precise days), and the

rules also said that internet statements are acceptable provided they contain

account name, account number, etc.

When I look at the websites today, it says bank statements should be upto 7 days of

submission of application, and internet statements must be accompanied with a letter

from the bank. Thus they have rejected on the basis of rules introduced AFTER I

submitted the application. I have requested for an administrative review as

fortunately I had the prinouts of the rules from BIA and VFS websites.

Would you believe that I had more than 10k GBP in my bank for the past 4 months, and

moreover I am already employed in the UK.

Thus the moral of the story is that they are very very sensitive about maintenance

funds requirement, and since the application reaches the assessment officer after a

few weeks, some rules might have changed...

Guys pls be aware of these factors.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 30 Jul 2008
Hi all,

http://www.ukimmigration.com/news/2008-04-08/uk/update-tier-1-maintenance-requirement.htm


visit this url, there they just mentioned GBP 2800 fund maintenance, when they published that time they are not mentioned the 7 days issue.
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Posted by Satya4hsmp (19) 30 Jul 2008
Hi sakthi,

DId u applied to adminstration dept ?
got u any messages from the HO abt u r review.

One more thing we can take personal loan and kept into our salary account and shown
as maintenance funds..?


Regards,
Naidu
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 31 Jul 2008
Hi Sathya,

I applied admin. review July08, they said the processing time line 28 days, i thing that's 28 working days, so i'm waiting for the result.

you can take personal loan and kept it for 3 months in your saving account. Maintain GBP 2800. I hope u read out all above mentioned cases.
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Posted by Satya4hsmp (19) 31 Jul 2008
Hi sakthi,

I read all the msgs whoch u r u send..its very helpful to everybody.
everybody will take care of this issues..
Becoz why i asked for personal loan whether they will accept r not ?

U hav been maintian the same way...

Regards,
Satya
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 31 Jul 2008
Hi
Navin, provide your contact details such as, mobile no, or, e-mail id.

thanks
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 31 Jul 2008
Hi ireallywish,

please provide your contact details, mobile no, e-mail id.

When u applied for the admin.review r u mentioned clearly the bia website is updated after june 20, rearding the 7 days issue. Try to keep in contact.

thanks
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Posted by navinga (99) 01 Aug 2008
Hi ,

U can reach me @ 9741644778

Navin G
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Posted by mycanal (62) 02 Aug 2008
PLEASE GUIDE ME AS AFTER REFUSAL OF INITIAL HSMP, I JUST REALISED THAT HSMP RETURNED ALL MY DOCUMENTS EXCEPT PAYSLIPS AND EMPLOYER SALARY STATEMENT FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. I MUST SUBNIT THEM IN ORIGNAL FOR REVIEW WITHIN 20 DAYS AS 8 DAYS ARE ALREADY PASSED. PLEASE GUIDE ME WHAT TO DO. DOES ANYONE KNOW OR SUGGEST WHY DID HSMP TEAM, KEPT THEM , IS IT BY MISTAKE, DID THEY LOST THEM OR IS IT NORMAL for them to keep some document without writing anything about them...
should i complain ..
would i be able to apply for review without them or by using photo copies..
my consultant is saying , nothing to worry, but i doubt it seriously...
the question in my mind is , how can a neutral new caseworker , decide without the orignal income certificate and payslips in my favour.. i think he will straight refuse saying insufficient proof for income..
plese share ur view and guidance.
and what should be my next steps...
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Posted by mycanal (62) 02 Aug 2008
PLEASE GUIDE ME AS AFTER REFUSAL OF INITIAL HSMP, I JUST REALISED THAT HSMP RETURNED ALL MY DOCUMENTS EXCEPT PAYSLIPS AND EMPLOYER SALARY STATEMENT FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. I MUST SUBNIT THEM IN ORIGNAL FOR REVIEW WITHIN 20 DAYS AS 8 DAYS ARE ALREADY PASSED. PLEASE GUIDE ME WHAT TO DO. DOES ANYONE KNOW OR SUGGEST WHY DID HSMP TEAM, KEPT THEM , IS IT BY MISTAKE, DID THEY LOST THEM OR IS IT NORMAL for them to keep some document without writing anything about them...
should i complain ..
would i be able to apply for review without them or by using photo copies..
my consultant is saying , nothing to worry, but i doubt it seriously...
the question in my mind is , how can a neutral new caseworker , decide without the orignal income certificate and payslips in my favour.. i think he will straight refuse saying insufficient proof for income..
plese share ur view and guidance.
and what should be my next steps...
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Posted by dhruva (14) 03 Aug 2008
Even they did not return me back around 5 months of bank statements. I have mentioned that in the review form. They would already probably have all your data in their files, because one set of photocopies is always retained by the BHC. In fact the review form mentions that you should not send any additional documents along with it.

I am not sure if this helps but good luck anyway.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 03 Aug 2008
Hi dhruva,

may i know what happend your administrative review, exactly how many days they took for the result 28 days or 28 working days.
thanks
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 03 Aug 2008
Hi all,

we are not allow for send any additional documents to the admin.review, if you send they will return it with your application form.

In my case i send the admin. review application form with my explanation about the refusal.
thanks
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Posted by viky123 (54) 05 Aug 2008
adreview ,

I came to know today from adviser that my application got refused. please guide me. what shd i do next
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 06 Aug 2008
Hi viky,

It's really a sad news. What are the reson given by the ECO for your refusal, write exactly what are the words he is used for ur refusal.
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Posted by viky123 (54) 06 Aug 2008
adreview , ,

I just came to know when i contacted them. I will know reason when i ll receive my letter. may be in 8 days. I was applied my appication in March. now i m confuse wat to do
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Posted by dhruva (14) 06 Aug 2008
Hi adreview, I am still awaiting the outcome of the admin review. Will keep you posted.
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Posted by viky123 (54) 06 Aug 2008
dhruva ,

whn u have sent admin review. wat was reason for refusal, ur app comes under new rule or old. mine is under old rules.
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Posted by willdsEND (36) 07 Aug 2008
Hi guys i want to share my bad news with u guys....

My visa got rejection sterday


ECO comment was bank statement was false doc so i didnt get points for previous earingins as well as no points for maintainance though i have maintained funds from 3months they have not even contacted bank. i am going to apply for Administrative Review within 2 to 3 days.


hope i get +ve result comments and suggestions plzzzzzzzzzzzz............

thanks and regards
reddy........
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Posted by maheshrvce (21) 07 Aug 2008
Hi reddy,

sorry to hear the news. Did u take the seal and signature on the statements and were they on letterheaded paper? Submitting false docs can impose a ban on u from going to UK for 10 years. If they mentioned that make sure u provide proper explanation and atleast make them take bak the false docs comment
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 08 Aug 2008
Hi reddy,

it's really a bad news, what is exact words they used for your refusal, because they won't check the documents properly.

you said u r maintain ur fund what is the statement date what is u r application submitted date just brief it here.

is it possible to you provide u r contact no.

thanks
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Posted by anand80 (16) 08 Aug 2008
Hi Guys,

Today I received the courier from BHC. My application has been rejected on basis that on one particular day in entire 3 months period the amount was GBP 2750 based on the exchange rate on the date of application (85.7). I had a amount 235000 in my account on 28th Apr which is more than GBP 2800 based on exchange rate on 28th Apr (79.74).

This is totally bull-shit. no one can estimate exhange rate thet what it is going be in future.

Other thing is mentioned in my refusal letter that my application has also been considered under general ground for refusal. I have no idea what does this mean. Do you all received the refusal letter mentioning the similar line when it is refused on maintenance attributes.

I received my passport back with refusal letter. I dont think it would be gud to idea to apply for admin review. because it will take hell amount of time. so i am planning to re-apply but all my original docs are still with BHC. Can someone tell me that is it possible to re-apply with just application forms, new maintenance proof and visa fee with cover letter stating that all the original docs are with BHC.

Please respond me asap.

-Anand
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Posted by maheshhsmp (35) 08 Aug 2008
hi anand,

what was the rate on the last day of bank statements. it is the one that shud count. was 28th april ur last date of ur bank statement..if yes, then they shudnt have rejeted ur app on basis of this reason
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Posted by willdsEND (36) 08 Aug 2008
hi maheshrvce

I took seal and signature on the statements they were on head letter only. Bank guys said tht they didnt got any call anyways i m just thking to apply for review i vl let u knw if i processed with anythg.

cheers
reddy
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Posted by willdsEND (36) 08 Aug 2008
Hi adreview

They have mentioned in my refusal letter that my application has also been considered under general ground for refusal. They have not returned my docs and they have sent a review form as well with tht. I have applied on 27th of june.

reply wd ur mail id and contact number so tht i can contact u asap k

cheers
reddy
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 09 Aug 2008
Hi anand,

this is really a sad news, my application also refused on the basis of fund maintenance, but i applied for the admin review, but still i'm not received any result from their side, even i maintained the fund properly, they calculated wrong dates on my case.

under general ground for refusal, these words also used in my refusal letter also. In the vfs office they returned my passport and refusal letter.

they mentioned anyother reason in your application

thanks
adreview
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Posted by anand80 (16) 09 Aug 2008
hi adreview,

no they haven't mantioned any thing else in my refusal letter.

i heard that no one is going to get original hsmp approval letter back from BHC. is it possible to reapply for EC with photocopy of hsmp approval letter?

-Anand
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 10 Aug 2008
Hi anand,

thanks for your reply message, i applied after april 2008, on the basis of tier 1 general migrant visa, generally called PBS system.

you can ask your doubt with the vfs application centre or u can send them mail, i hope u can see the mail id from your refusal letter, mail to them they will reply.
thanks
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Posted by viky123 (54) 10 Aug 2008
adreview ,

what is your suggestion for me.
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Posted by amit35delhi (30) 10 Aug 2008
hi anand,

my case is exactly same as your, i got rejection on 9 aug, statting the same things,,, they taken my ballance of 29 april,, for 181000,,, and saying it is 2272 GBP by in ma case they taken exchange rate of 29 april ony, and not that appli date i.e 16 july ,,, but on 30 april my balalce is 235000, then it will be approx 2949 GBP, as per 30 april exchnage which they agree, i dont why they taken 29 april and why not they taken 30 april,,, my application date is 16 july
they even didnt consider another bank's letter stateting that

"mr Amit has Rs 20L in his investment a/c no ............ since last 1 and half year consistantly and this amount is liquid and avilable to me as and when reqired by me,, this amount is entirly at my disposal"

same like you,, they kept all my original papers,,

they only send admin reveiw form and refusal notice with passport,,

anand,, where are located,, give u me ur mobile no,, so that we can talk, i m in delhi

if you are in hurry, then you have to apply fresh under tier ! with fee of Rs 51000, now you dont have to apply under transitional,,, because you HSMP date is laps,,

in latter,, there is not refulsal date mention, and no case worker name,, and date on which they given to VFS to sent us,,
VFS site say that till 6pm on 8th Aug, that app with BHC,, and at 6.30, it say that : prcessed application delivered to bluedart to deliver you,, and on 9 aug i got courier at 2pm at my address,, envlalope contain only refusal notice and passport,,


I think in admin revew, we dont go to VFS to submit,, we can sent by courier at BHC, or email and fax too.

plz reply with your cotact details,,

reg

Amit
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Posted by viky123 (54) 10 Aug 2008
Hi Amit..

please give me ur email address
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Posted by anand80 (16) 11 Aug 2008
hi amit, mail me on anandjain80@gmail.com
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Posted by amit35delhi (30) 11 Aug 2008
amazing_25m@yahoo.co.in
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Posted by amit35delhi (30) 11 Aug 2008
hi anand

I already sent the admin reveiw via speed post today. to BHC, New Delhi

you can contact me on amazing_25m@yahoo.co.in
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Posted by vanitha (21) 11 Aug 2008
Hello everyone,
Can you let me know how did u apply for the admin review.
I mean the process for the same. Mine is rejected for the bank statement date tho I had maintained more than 5.5K pounds.
Should i go in person to mumbai consulate and apply for it or I can send thesame via courier.
Also it seems no documents are need to be sent.
Kindly confirm with your experiences...
Thanks
Vanitha
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Posted by willdsEND (36) 11 Aug 2008
Hi guys

can anybody let me know timelines or how many days does Administrative Review takes plzzzzz...

thanks
reddy.....
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 11 Aug 2008
Hi reddy,

administrative review is 28 working days, in my case 26 working days are completed, still i'm not received any mails from there.
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Posted by Sep26Chenai (95) 11 Aug 2008
Hi,

in my case they gave me administrative application form along with the refusal letter, i send the ad.review by courier to the chennai BHC office. may i know when u applied the pbs tier 1 visa, the application date and the bank statement dats, that means the last date of the statement.
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Posted by vanitha (21) 11 Aug 2008
THanks Adreview for your reply
applied on Jul 7th
Statment dated 30th JUne
The thing is there were no transactions after 16th June. so the last txns in the statement is on 16th June.
The EC is refused with a mention that the statement shows only till 16th June.
Checked with the bank, they said they can give a letter confirming the same.
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Posted by willdsEND (36) 11 Aug 2008
hi adreview

Wru from can u leave ur number or mail id on ds id plz pradeep2629@gmail.com

thanks
reddy..
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