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Topic: Sympathize with Immigration Officers
Folks!!
I think that we must give our thanks to the immigration officials. They have to look through Tons of Documents each day, not to forget the language translations from different countries. I can only imagine how tiring it must be on their eyes and their minds. And if they issue a RFE we get upset and start yelling at them. I think it not fair. They are humans after all and most of the AOs have families and personal problems to deal with, yet they approve MOST of the applications, so we must be considerate.
They never asked us to apply for GC, so why blame them if we apply and then they request some documents from us to adjudicate? I think this is the normal immigration process in any country.
Now you may argue that other countries have simpler and comprehensive immigration process, but we must not forget that USA has the most number of immigrant applications than most of the countries put together.
I just wanted to vent thats all, I have been reading a lot of bad stuff written about AOs, I just think it is not fair. Thats all. Nothing personal.
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That is correct that the officers are overloaded with tonnes of documents, but I think there is problem lies somewhere. The most visible culprit is the entire process. Too many scrutinies. I wonder, why someone who enters into the country on a valid visa, after all scrutinies, working and paying tax for years and years has to undergo years under this process where as some other gets the same priviledge very easily?...
Atleast the department should be manned enough to handle the load, I wonder is that very difficult to find for the administration..
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what do you mean by scrutinies? do you mean RFEs?
well, GC actually is "Adjustment of Status" so the AOs have to check if one was "in status" before adjusting it.
I know it sounds a little crazy, because status is being adjusted after proving one was already in status!!! that sounds wrong.
Status must be adjusted for those people who were initially out of status for 'n' number of months or so, then "adjustment of status" gives a meaning to the process.
But anyways, not everybody gets a RFE, its only these days that they have stepped it up a LOT. May be its because GCs are being issued without name checks. It is for our own security I would say. I know it does cause a LOT of hassle and stress, but once all the documents requested are submitted to the AO, it should be fine.
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why someone who enters into the country on a valid visa, after all scrutinies, working and paying tax for years and years has to undergo years under this process where as some other gets the same priviledge very easily?...
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Because Legal Immigrants are not a problem for the government.
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What are the procedures the AO's go through to adjucate a case? Please explain because I really do not understand why this takes so long when visa number is available and PD is current
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contraire Monsieur!
they shoukd be happy we are creating jobs for them!
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Spicegirl:
I spoke with a level 2 officer for about 15 minutes and she was kind enough to explain the process.
Each country has a quota of visa numbers available each month regardless of the PD being current or not. So unless there are a very few people in line from your country waiting for visa numbers you should get your GC soon. And do not forget it is all inclusive quota...meaning...employment/family/asylum etc etc etc. adds up to the quota.
so if you think visa numbers are available then there are a few more people in front of you in the queue, so you have to be patient. Also, may be your file got pushed under the pile, but this would be bad luck.
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Folks!!
I think that we must give our thanks to the immigration officials. They have to look through Tons of Documents each day, not to forget the language translations from different countries. I can only imagine how tiring it must be on their eyes and their minds. And if they issue a RFE we get upset and start yelling at them. I think it not fair. They are humans after all and most of the AOs have families and personal problems to deal with, yet they approve MOST of the applications, so we must be considerate.
They never asked us to apply for GC, so why blame them if we apply and then they request some documents from us to adjudicate? I think this is the normal immigration process in any country.
Now you may argue that other countries have simpler and comprehensive immigration process, but we must not forget that USA has the most number of immigrant applications than most of the countries put together.
I just wanted to vent thats all, I have been reading a lot of bad stuff written about AOs, I just think it is not fair. Thats all. Nothing personal.
Dear friend.
Some notes in your message does not make sense. You mentioned documents with language translation. Either you know a language or you don't know. You don't try to learn a language by looking at a document with strange langauge. By the way, they usually look at the translated document.
You also mentioned they never asked us to apply for GC. True but they accepted this job and they are paid by GC applicants. It is true for all other jobs. A doctor did not ask a patient to get sick but buys his mansion by sick people !!!
Anyway you are from ICELand. If I were an immigration officer, I would issue your GC in a second. You don't need to worry. |
Hajigc,
By translated documents I mean more paperwork and more guess work as to the translation is correct or not. I did not mean that they will try to read all languages. Hope this makes sense!!
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your doctor : patient theory is not relevant here....they have diversity lottery, family based immigration, assylum seekers from many countries, including your country....and they have TONS of applicants from India, China, Mexico, Canada, UK, Phillipines and not to forget the amount of nurses that land up here with a stamp in their passports. And religious workers, chefs, and other professionals.
so in essence, they have a LOT of people and cases to secure their jobs, they do not need these many "employment" based applicants, even though I am one of them.
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RogerFederer,
From an IO's pespective, you may be right. But that is not the issue here.
THe whole greencard process, i dont think adjudicating officers spend more than 1-2 hours per applicant. But still most of us wait for years for processing (i'm not counting the time when we are not current). So obviously the process is screwed up???
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jcgc:
I agree, infact sometimes not even an hour per case. may be just 20 mins.
say on an average an AO works 6 hrs a day. They look at an average of 10-12 files a day (Got this stat from federalsoup.com)
so it is 2 cases per hour. so 30 mins per case.
I could be wrong. But this is a guesstimate.
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I totally agree with you Roger that we have to be nice in writing about the officials at the USCIS office. I just do not agree with the discrimination laws of per country quota and some of the operating procedures at the USCIS office. We can not blame them as they are just following some of the unjust laws and directives given to them. I fail to understand that one official is lenient in processing the application and the other is very strict. Probably human nature differs from person to person.
It is true that they are receiving over a million applications and it is difficult to imagine how they are storing all these applications. As I am learning daily that they are doing their best to stream line their procedure of processing these applications.
Also I cannot understand when some one has been in this country legally for 8 to 10 years; he has to still undergo this pain of Green Card. To me the U.S. government should just hand over the Green Card to such person as they are as good as being the citizen of this country.
I am not perfect and I do make mistakes in life. In the same way I cannot expect the officials at USCIS to be perfect. I just want to end with a saying of a great Indian person.
“I searched for the crooked, met not a single one
When I searched myself, I found the crooked one”
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“I searched for the crooked, met not a single one
When I searched myself, I found the crooked one”
good saying... |
Ok.... my thoughts on this...
Everybody works hard and in every field including USCIS and IO officers ....
I feel USCIS POLICIES ....should show consideration and Humanity in processing the cases to all the people who are well educated ,smart ,intelligent and well qualified. Why dont they do something about the vISA NUMBERS for countries that use it aggresively... is all i am asking..
Dhananjay
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ans how about 'you get what you give" :)
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I gave documents for RFE, PLease give me a greencard.....emmm lets see....not working!!!
:-)
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and you will :) actually, i was referring to your title 'sympathy (btw, i would substitute it with empathy!) for IO". i will empathaize with them the day they start returning the favor. i am yet to come across an IO who had said s/he understand our pain and would do something about it!
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I gave documents for RFE, PLease give me a greencard.....emmm lets see....not working!!!
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exactly! if they were doing their job properly we all would have been in a better position :).. its not like they are doing us a favour..they r getting paid just like u and me... will ur boss be ok if u slump just coz u have 100s of documents to read thur in a project? same thing... they are doing a JOB! period!
i would also answer the RFE if i ever get the frekking paper in mail! |
trackbuzz, are you waiting for your RFE? your profile states "no RFE"
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RF,
i got an RFAE(dont know if it is any different than RFE) on my I824 , APPLICATION FOR ACTION ON AN APPROVED
APPLICATION OR PETITION.. my 140 was approved under sub labour
i have been waiting since april 3rd :((
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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its been a month!!!!!!! whats going on? did you do anything to follow up? there is another member in this forum by the username Bestia, she has issues as well. This is getting chaotic by the minute.
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I totally agree RogerFederer , although I prefer Rafael Nadal as a player tennis player HAHA. You read all kinds of things like incompetent USCIS and even worse. Do these critics ever stop to think how overwhelmed the agency is? All those millions of people with millions of documents from foreign countries trying to become legal permanent residents every month of every year.
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RF,
i have been following Bestia's case too.. i prey that i dont have to face wht he/she is facing... lawyer says company should follow up with USCIS and company says lawyer should.. i know USCIS will not respond to me :(.. i am putting more pressure on the company coz i think they get all the correspondence from USCIS. both think RFE should not be nothing major at this point :(.
wht abt ur case info.. u dont have it up ..any reason?
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Spicegirl:
I spoke with a level 2 officer for about 15 minutes and she was kind enough to explain the process.
Each country has a quota of visa numbers available each month regardless of the PD being current or not. So unless there are a very few people in line from your country waiting for visa numbers you should get your GC soon. And do not forget it is all inclusive quota...meaning...employment/family/asylum etc etc etc. adds up to the quota.
so if you think visa numbers are available then there are a few more people in front of you in the queue, so you have to be patient. Also, may be your file got pushed under the pile, but this would be bad luck.
Then I would be fine.
Immigrant Visas Issued and Adjustments of Status for my country (2007) = 254 (205 EB + 49 Family based -no asylum, etc-)
Oops, sorry, 2 more in DV lottery = 256.
Grrrreat... I should get my GC soon... Thank you Roger. I'm feeling more optimistic. |
Krusty, your case is done and dusted buddy!!
3-4 LUDs means that...once the officer adjudicates the case, it goes to the front office where they have to send an email to the DOL to check the visa availability, once they hear from them, they send the response back to the AO who gives a final go ahead. All these back and forth result in multiple LUDs which you already have seen on your case.....they are just waiting to send you the approval notice. Do not forget you need 5 visa numbers :-) so it is taking a bit of a time. Either way you are green already :-)
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Thanks Roger!
Actually, I need 4 = couple with 2 teenagers (15 & 18). I'll let 1 to someone else.. :)
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I think its friday......... lol
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What Sympathy do we need to show them. They are like chameleon changing colors everytime. I have experienced them from 2003 I know how B***Hy they can be.
My question is why cannot they follow the circular that they get, if they have noknowledge on how to process the cases then better outsource that too to some other country. They have already outsourced the I-140 document collection for each case to 2 Virginia based company now its turn to outsource the approval of I485 too to some other company.
I have no pity or sympathy for them.
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RF,
what was ur RFE abt? i read some where tht they asked for tax returns can you please expand on this or point me to any thread where u have all the details..
thanks
Buzz
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w2s
tax returns
paystubs
IRS transcripts
My old visa was revoked when I left the country...they want the Revoke notice (which I DID NOT get, so I do not have it)
My old school transcripts (Incomplete, since I withdrew and went back home)
I-20 form
All EADs issued to me so far
Passport copies (old and new)
Curly Fries with Ketchup
The sun
The moon
The stars
Last 3, I do not have :-)
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RF,
thanks for the response.
how many yrs of W2s did they request? all yr u were here or from the time you last entered US? how did u handel the revoke notice question? i gusess u can show ur passport stamping to verify tht u were not here.. but some of the stamps on my PP are hardly visible..
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i sent tax papers from back home proving my absence.
they asked for all W2s....All tax papers, first and last paystub of every employer for every year. since mine was an AC-21 case, I have also included EVL from my past and current employers stating job duties, etc etc etc. And IRS tax transcripts... They wanted my wife's passport copies (old and New). Lawyer suggested to include her paystubs and W2s, EADs and EVL.
regarding my revoke notice, I told them that I had relocated to a different address since i had transfered from one school to another and also I moved out of the US within 7 months, so I did not get the revoke notice.
my RFE response was close to 400 pages.
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RF,
all yr u were here or from the time you last entered US?
but some of the stamps on my PP are hardly visible..
what stamps? US does not put exit stamps on passport
no I have left the country a few times and entered again. |
yes but, they will have the i94 which u might have surrendered while stepping out. also when u reach ur distination (ur home country or where ever u landed) will put a stamp.. when u came back here POE would have stamped a date on ur Passport.
how else can one prove tht one was not here?
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I don't have the I-94, I was here back in 1998 left the same year.
If they had the I-94 from the 90's why is A0217 accused of being here since 1997? I don't know if the kept any records back then, I think they started maintaining records from 2002 onwards.
Infact, when i got my RFE, he/she was not sure about my old passport number even, because it was mentioned in my new passport he/she could figure it out, even then, the RFE states that if I have travelled to the US on any other passports I should give copies of those as well. This makes me think that the do not know the passport numbers, how will they know the I-94 card number?
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