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Topic: very few approvals today
I thought Monday was supposed to be a good day for approvals.
Any ideas?
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and almost all of the approvals are for people from India, with all respect.
What about ROW??????????????????????????????????
For ROW NSC the track records of approvals ends with end of June/07 Notice Dates. Nothing after that. Desert.
WHATTA!!!!
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I am not sure what ROW stands for, but I got my emails today, and I am from Croatia (Europe). I hope yours will come soon.
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and almost all of the approvals are for people from India, with all respect.
What about ROW??????????????????????????????????
For ROW NSC the track records of approvals ends with end of June/07 Notice Dates. Nothing after that. Desert.
WHATTA!!!!
I'm obviously sick of that too! You are waiting 10 months, and I'm close to that too, for I-485 to be approved.
And like I mentioned before, India cases are less percentage in the trackitt, than their approval percentage.
And to think there are people who think there should not be a per-country quota. If there was not one, you'd see one out of thousand approval, not from India. |
congrats tvujec...the wait is over for you..hope ours will follow..godbless
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I am not sure what ROW stands for, but I got my emails today, and I am from Croatia (Europe). I hope yours will come soon.
you're at TSC. not EB2, and applied in December. You are very lucky. |
I think there definitely should be country quota. There are currently only 33 I-485 cases from applicants from my country and literally thousands from India (again, with all respect for Indian citizens).
If they pass that bill which gets rid of country quotas and I still don't have my GC - I might as well pack my bags. I am not up for another several year wait.
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Down with country quota in EB based GC category.
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Down with country quota in EB based GC category.
Why only EB based?
And like Dobra said - I don't think there would be many ROW people who would have the patience to wait as long as the Indian people wait. (Well, if one Indian doesn't have the patience, there's always another one, with her spouse and children)
It would practically mean only Indian people would become permanent residents based on EB. |
Why only EB based?
Because EB is based on your education and skills. Shouldn't be based on your country of origin. The employer that needs a certain level of educated and skilled employee, may not really care if he/she is from a particular country. The education/skills filtering will take place at the employer. |
Indian people are used to infinite patience ;-) And that is unfair advantage i see.
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Why only EB based?
Because EB is based on your education and skills. Shouldn't be based on your country of origin. The employer that needs a certain level of educated and skilled employee, may not really care if he/she is from a particular country. The education/skills filtering will take place at the employer.
Well stated . |
Permie, you make a valid point.
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(Well, if one Indian doesn't have the patience, there's always another one, with her spouse and children)
Hmmm....
Do you mean - too many Indians and everyone with spouse and children? |
Permie, you make a valid point.
Thanks Fellow brothers...
I always try ... :) |
Why only EB based?
Because EB is based on your education and skills. Shouldn't be based on your country of origin. The employer that needs a certain level of educated and skilled employee, may not really care if he/she is from a particular country. The education/skills filtering will take place at the employer.
So you too don't care about family based cases from non-ROW?
And in any case, I do not agree with your EB point. The employer gets the employee on visa anyway. The green card is not REALLY for the employer. It's for the employee. The ROW people are there, and it's not their fault so many Indian people are there. If you cancel the per-country quota, ROW people will not stay in the US or not immigrate to the US, and that hurts the diversity. Again, it's not ROW people's fault. not having the quota, would actually make other immigrants hate Indian people, and that would be a shame. |
And in any case, I do not agree with your EB point. The employer gets the employee on visa anyway. The green card is not REALLY for the employer...
Patiphone, EB Green Card is given for FUTURE job. H1b is for TEMPORARY workers, and it's max for 6 years. Green Card is for PERMANENT position. Yes, it is for employer who wants to employ somebody indefinite for permanent position. |
And in any case, I do not agree with your EB point. The employer gets the employee on visa anyway. The green card is not REALLY for the employer...
Patiphone, EB Green Card is given for FUTURE job. H1b is for TEMPORARY workers, and it's max for 6 years. Green Card is for PERMANENT position. Yes, it is for employer who wants to employ somebody indefinite for permanent position.
If it was so, the green card would have belonged to the company, and not the immigrant. |
patiphone
Well you are getting the green card based on the employment/employer you work for. You still need
to meet those conditions/terms of employment. While you own it, employer has lot of control over
it and infact generally speaking once you get the green card it is advised that you do not leave the employer
within 6 months (better 1 year).
I think there is fundamental difference here, it is almost like a open job position, you should not be
discriminated based on race, color, religion ...etc
To take care of diversity that is why they have the green card lottery system, India is not part of that.
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patiphone
Well you are getting the green card based on the employment/employer you work for. You still need
to meet those conditions/terms of employment. While you own it, employer has lot of control over
it and infact generally speaking once you get the green card it is advised that you do not leave the employer
within 6 months (better 1 year).
I think there is fundamental difference here, it is almost like a open job position, you should not be
discriminated based on race, color, religion ...etc
To take care of diversity that is why they have the green card lottery system, India is not part of that.
You can't be serious about the lottery taking care of diversity.
And by the way, it's better to stay at the company for 8 years after getting the green card. 1 year is not enough. |
If it was so, the green card would have belonged to the company, and not the immigrant.
Why are you arguing? :) Do you need 10 people to repeat you? YOUR Green Card is sponsored by your EMPLOYER for promise that you will work for him not 1 year, not 8 years, but FOREVER. That's the main idea of employment based immigration to the US. I don't know how else I can express this very basic and simple idea.... is my English all right, guys? |
If it was so, the green card would have belonged to the company, and not the immigrant.
Why are you arguing? :) Do you need 10 people to repeat you? YOUR Green Card is sponsored by your EMPLOYER for promise that you will work for him not 1 year, not 8 years, but FOREVER. That's the main idea of employment based immigration to the US. I don't know how else I can express this very basic and simple idea.... is my English all right, guys?
Your English is fine. But what you are saying is wrong.
p.s. have you heard of AC21?
And again, if the GC is intented for employment forever in the same employer - why does it belong to the employee, and not the employer? |
And again, if the GC is intented for employment forever in the same employer - why does it belong to the employee, and not the employer?
so tht the employer does take advantage of the employee!! |
p.s. have you heard of AC21?
Yes, I heard... but did you read AC21? :) What is says? |
And again, if the GC is intented for employment forever in the same employer - why does it belong to the employee, and not the employer?
so tht the employer does take advantage of the employee!!
US had that kind of immigration few hundred years ago - it was called 'slavery' :) |
Well,
per country quota must stay for the sake of all people. There are people with the education, skills and experience from countries other than India and China. If there is no quota, there would be ~ zero chance for person born outside India, China or the Philippines to get GC. There should be a limit on H1 visas per country and some restriction for the companies applying for h1. How could a single company get 4000 H1 visas last year and most of them are for Indians ? Go to the Department of labor website and see the statistic.
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Well,
per country quota must stay for the sake of all people. There are people with the education, skills and experience from countries other than India and China. If there is no quota, there would be ~ zero chance for person born outside India, China or the Philippines to get GC. There should be a limit on H1 visas per country and some restriction for the companies applying for h1. How could a single company get 4000 H1 visas last year and most of them are for Indians ? Go to the Department of labor website and see the statistic.
i know ppl are going get upset but cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnt resist it!!! we have most h1 coz we r smarter :))) |
i know ppl are going get upset but cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnt resist it!!! we have most h1 coz we r smarter :)))
LOL, Buzz... you are dropping a nuclear bomb :) |
Well,
per country quota must stay for the sake of all people. There are people with the education, skills and experience from countries other than India and China. If there is no quota, there would be ~ zero chance for person born outside India, China or the Philippines to get GC. There should be a limit on H1 visas per country and some restriction for the companies applying for h1. How could a single company get 4000 H1 visas last year and most of them are for Indians ? Go to the Department of labor website and see the statistic.
i know ppl are going get upset but cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnt resist it!!! we have most h1 coz we r smarter :)))
It's OK that you have lots of H1s. It's because you are a lot of people.
All WE are asking, is that you let people who are not Indian, get a chance at a green card, regardless of the flood of people from India's applications.
p.s. if you're so smart, get some great companies started in India (other than sourcing companies). |
patiphone
You seem to be very ignorant this is not me saying that lottery is for diversity it is the
state department (US Govt) look at the link below,
http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1318.html
Also I think you just don't have your basics right. In an employment based application
you need to satisfy the terms and conditions of your employment even past your GC approval.
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Well,
per country quota must stay for the sake of all people. There are people with the education, skills and experience from countries other than India and China. If there is no quota, there would be ~ zero chance for person born outside India, China or the Philippines to get GC. There should be a limit on H1 visas per country and some restriction for the companies applying for h1. How could a single company get 4000 H1 visas last year and most of them are for Indians ? Go to the Department of labor website and see the statistic.
First of all, {ignore}patiphone{/ignore}
Lucky, What do you mean how could? Everyone has an equal shot in the system. You have to realize that it's a truly global economy. Companies that have talent, win projects, apply for more H1s. No one is preventing a company from Bulgaria to win billions of $ US projects and apply for thousands for US Visas. It's out there - up for grabs. Go for it!!!
And without quota zero chance of others? Again, think about the chances of an individual in a non-quota system. It will be equal for everyone. Now, for whatever reason, the percentage of Indians are more, that does not mean that an individual Indian has a better chance than anyone else.
I believe that the system should be changed to assign priority based on category - EB1 gets high priority, followed by EB2 and then EB3... |
Smarter enough to hire a good lawyer to put you in EB2 instead of EB3...Last year many Indians played this game and caused the visas for EB2 to become unavailable:))
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Well,
per country quota must stay for the sake of all people. There are people with the education, skills and experience from countries other than India and China. If there is no quota, there would be ~ zero chance for person born outside India, China or the Philippines to get GC. There should be a limit on H1 visas per country and some restriction for the companies applying for h1. How could a single company get 4000 H1 visas last year and most of them are for Indians ? Go to the Department of labor website and see the statistic.
i know ppl are going get upset but cannnnnnnnnnnnnnnt resist it!!! we have most h1 coz we r smarter :)))
It's OK that you have lots of H1s. It's because you are a lot of people.
All WE are asking, is that you let people who are not Indian, get a chance at a green card, regardless of the flood of people from India's applications.
p.s. if you're so smart, get some great companies started in India (other than sourcing companies).
Patiphone
Sadly we as immigrants are fighting amongst each other rather than focus on the core issue. You like per country
limits since it helps your case have you wondered about people who don't come from developed or under developed
countries.
I think the opportunity should be fair for all, doesn't mean that only people from certain countries should only come.
Not sure how you got your present job (or if you applied in US school). That point I felt it was fair I didn't get a job
or admission because I belonged to a particular country. By the way population has nothing to do with that otherwise
you know after china/india the rest of populous names would also figure in GC applications |
It's OK that you have lots of H1s. It's because you are a lot of people.
All WE are asking, is that you let people who are not Indian, get a chance at a green card, regardless of the flood of people from India's applications.
p.s. if you're so smart, get some great companies started in India (other than sourcing companies).
It's a lot of people for several reasons.
1. Indians were not explorers nor conquerors. So we did not migrate out of India like Europeans did to US, Australia, NZ etc. Take the combined population of all those places for comparison... [Nor are we taking anyone's land by force or military, killing innocent people]. Indians are coming here LEGALLY and going through the PROCESS just like others.
2. The country has been out of colonialism for about 60 years. To understand the importance of this - assume that starting from today for the next 200 years, all of Isreal's taxes, revenues, manpower, produce etc. go to Great Britain. That's 200 years of nothing for the colony and it's people. It takes a little time for a country to recover from that - and recovering we sure are. Great companies - you bet where the great companies of this century will be at.
If you have valid points for a discussion, bring it. Mongering does not help - help yourself that is. |
Smarter enough to hire a good lawyer to put you in EB2 instead of EB3...Last year many Indians played this game and caused the visas for EB2 to become unavailable:))
Lucky1
I just don't get your point. The system has to be fair while I am not really sure what you mean "by hire a good lawyer to put you in EB2" I guess everyone has the same opportunity "to be smart enough to hire a good lawyer"
The system has to be fair which of course is a very subjective term but fair to a point that you do not get discriminated based on
your race/country/religion. |
Smarter enough to hire a good lawyer to put you in EB2 instead of EB3
But you weren't smart enough to hire even a better lawyer to put you in EB1 instead of EB2... |
I do not know the details, but sometimes employers do not want you on EB2 and they demand the lawyer to do it on EB3 for a minimal salary difference that they want to use on their own benefit to give you the bear hug, you could try to persuade the lawyer to go under EB2 but if the employer says "NO, I am not going to fill out that piece of paper to justify EB2 because that will open the options for my employee sooner", then you have to go with what the employer says (EB3), after all the lawyer works for the employer.
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patiphone
You seem to be very ignorant this is not me saying that lottery is for diversity it is the
state department (US Govt) look at the link below,
http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1318.html
Also I think you just don't have your basics right. In an employment based application
you need to satisfy the terms and conditions of your employment even past your GC approval.
The lottery is not the way to solve the issue of ROW people with skills who work in the US and try to get a green card.
I know Indian people have more patience than people from other countries. They are more complacent. Like mentioned here, if you remove the per-country quota, you would simply get rid of non-Indians. (except for a very small percentage).
Even WITH the quota, as we see on this site, more than 50% of approvals are for Indian. You can't complain about it. You DO need to take SOME responsibility for your people's actions. If it was not for Indian people in mass immigrating to the US (and again, somebody here mentioned you're smarter, maybe you don't need to immigrate, build a better country and industry in India instead), there would be less backlog for everybody else. It's not the poor people of India who are immigrating, mostly.
About my basics, ok. You can continue to work for your sponsoring employer after your green card, until you die. |
patiphone
You seem to be very ignorant this is not me saying that lottery is for diversity it is the
state department (US Govt) look at the link below,
http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1318.html
Also I think you just don't have your basics right. In an employment based application
you need to satisfy the terms and conditions of your employment even past your GC approval.
The lottery is not the way to solve the issue of ROW people with skills who work in the US and try to get a green card.
I know Indian people have more patience than people from other countries. They are more complacent. Like mentioned here, if you remove the per-country quota, you would simply get rid of non-Indians. (except for a very small percentage).
Even WITH the quota, as we see on this site, more than 50% of approvals are for Indian. You can't complain about it. You DO need to take SOME responsibility for your people's actions. If it was not for Indian people in mass immigrating to the US (and again, somebody here mentioned you're smarter, maybe you don't need to immigrate, build a better country and industry in India instead), there would be less backlog for everybody else. It's not the poor people of India who are immigrating, mostly.
About my basics, ok. You can continue to work for your sponsoring employer after your green card, until you die.
I think you seem to have come the full circle now. Interesting to see now you say people with "SKILLS" that is what I/we have been sayting. Anyway tell me one job where it says that they will hire someone based on which country they belong so fair argument is wny limit it based on country.
But of course with a twist that it should for ROW, I mean if no one is stopping people from any part of the world from applying
and that is how it should be...
I guess their is no point continuing the discussion (at least from my side) since you just don't seem to be very logical
in your reasoning. |
Where's that ignore button? Wait, this guy is funny .. so let's just have fun reading stupidity....
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"You DO need to take SOME responsibility for your people's actions."
Just couldn't help commenting on that quote.
Why?
Why does some individual have to take responsibility for another one's actions?
Please care to enlighten me with how this so called "action" you talk about here differs from yours or any other individuals for that matter?
There is simply too much demand for getting into this country and nothing can be done about that.
[/sarcasm] USCIS just needs to do away with Employment Based Immigration and replace it with Country Based Immigration.[/sarcasm]
That would at least give people less reason to complain and either get on queue or move on to other things.
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patiphone.. r u racist ? your comments sound so... Is this thread being moderated by admin ? If so what more should patiphone say to get her id deleted from here ?
Absolutely not. I don't see where you got this idea from. I have friends of all races, sexual orientation, origins, etc.
My responses are just to the demand to remove the per-country quota. This is what the US decided on by the way. Are they racist? If so, why do you want to live in a country that's racist against you?
By the way, why do you write "r u" instead of "are you"? Don't you have a comfortable keyboard? |
... ends up like this as she is very argumentative ...
'she'? Is patiphone 'she'? If I would know, I wouldn't argue.... with her.... |
"You DO need to take SOME responsibility for your people's actions."
Just couldn't help commenting on that quote.
Why?
Why does some individual have to take responsibility for another one's actions?
Please care to enlighten me with how this so called "action" you talk about here differs from yours or any other individuals for that matter?
If my country's people vote for a bad government, I suffer from it. If they vote for a good one, I gain. Is that a good enough example of consequences I suffer from, due to my people's action? I think it is.
Just think about countries in general - every country is different. In immigration there are 2 countries involved - the country you immigrate from, and the country you immigrate too. The waiting line in consulates abroad is different in different countries, for example. Before you become a permanent resident, or citizen, the place you come from affects you. Refugees can only come from certain countries, for example. Once you become a US permanent resident, or citizen, you are treated equally regardless of your origin, race, ethnicity, etc. And the US deserves the right to diversify (even if only slightly - again look at Trackitt, most of the approvals are for Indians) the employment based immigration. It has to do it in order to leave a chance to people from Bulgaria for example, to become permanent residents. |
guys, take a break. its just a cycle. past decade belonged to IT, so Indians came in bundle. Before that it was some other country, some other ethnicity. another decade later, baby boomers will need vast support systems and it may be the turn for another group. now, can it be that we see proportionally more india approvals on trackitt just because more indians participate here (IT being the bread-butter for most:) ) Its just a theory, I haven't compiled any data on country-wise membership of trackitt.
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"If my country's people vote for a bad government, I suffer from it. If they vote for a good one, I gain. Is that a good enough example of consequences I suffer from, due to my people's action? I think it is. "
^All that is fine when we talk in the context of group goals.
In the present context we are talking about invidual goals.
All of us come to work here. All of us have an equal opportunity to immigrate.
Ur actions taken in order to immigrate is as good as any others and also contributes to following chaos / process of Immigration to the United States just as any one else's action does.
So your idea of some person taking responsibility for "his people's" actions, COINCIDENTALLY sending in large number of applications, just because he hails from where those people hail from is utter non sense.
Dont get me wrong, I am all for this per country restriction and the US's right to diversify. Just the name Employment Based Immigration doesnt fit it.
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patiphone
p.s. if you're so smart, get some great companies started in India (other than sourcing companies).
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for your info,There are little more than sourcing companies in India.Thats why your country ended up lauching your latest spy satelite from India.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israeli_spy_satellite_launched_by_Indian_rocket
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Couldn't resist to put some of my thoughts..
Have you guys (patiphone in particular) wondered why so many people want to come here.
It is because US as a nation has been very successful, and one of key contributors in success
have been immigrants and the immigration policy US has (despite it's flaws). [Note: This policy is
very different from many nations around the world that haven't enjoyed the same amount
of success despite being in existance for much longer than US.]
But once you loose this competitive edge the nation is no longer going to enjoy the success that
it has which in turn makes it less attractive for people to come here. I do not believe anyone
of us would want this.
To put in a different perspective imagine if US was a company wouldn't you want to hire the
best (irrespective of their color, country of origin, race ....etc). Rather than be constrainted
by certain attributes ( like race/country) ofcourse you would want to hire only the number of
people you really need (in short I do believe there has to be limit). But this limit should not
be based on country of origin.
one final comment for people who believe that their immigration woes are being caused by
people from one (or two) country are sadly mistaken (apart from this being a very racist
comment). Which is worse you have an option to migrate with opportunities (though you
guys believe it is not fair) vs having the option to migrate but no jobs.
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I think a lot of immigrants lose sight of the fact that per country caps are not about what is 'fair'.
The U.S.A. has the right to choose, just as every other country does, what type of demographic makeup it will have into the future. This was the reason the limits were imposed. It's not racist. Its intent is not to close out Indians for example.
And it's certainly not perfect. For example, an indian born across a border is still ethnically indian but escapes the cap. And an italian born in India does not. So in the end it would appear that while somewhat arbitrary, it's the best they could come up with. Wart's n' all.
I totally get the endless frustration but people that wait years often take for granted some 'right' to be here. It's simply not so.
We are guests, and we know that until such time as we either get our GC or we move on.
I think the world of Indians to be quite frank. I have never met one I didn't have tremendous respect for. Hardworking, personable, educated and most often, incredibly calm and decent demeanors.
But that doesn't mean that the U.S. doesn't have the right to manage it's demographic mix. Just as every other country on earth does.
The real problem is not per-country caps, which I think actually support, but rather a lack of visas in general (they should probably triple the number!), wasted visas, and the lack of some kind of 'credit' for being on H1B for several years.
Never lose sight of the fact that we don't have a 'right' to live here until we are citizens.
And stay the course. Statistics say that very, very few will eventually be denied. Most in this forum are at the 485 stage. Hang in there! :-)
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