the hottest immigration tracker |
| Got questions on U.S. immigration? |
 |
|
|
|
 |
 |
|
|
Topic: A quick thank you and words of encouragement
After 7 years in the US, I finally received my permanent residence card yesterday. I cannot tell you what an emotional, frustrating, seemingly un-ending, expensive, uncertain and stressful experience this has been for me. Many of you know the feeling. I have been through multiple visas, forms, interviews, etc...and I always felt like such a pawn in the syste. I went through a phase where I was even checking the USCIS processing every day, counting the days until I was free to live in this country as a free human being, contributing to society, and being able to pursue my dreams. I then realized that this approach was doing me more harm than good, so I disciplined myself to get on with my life and check only periodically to see what was going on.
My happy day has arrived...and it is almost overwhelming after all the drama and stress...as it arrived when I least expected it to.
I know these words may sound hollow...but I've been in most of your shoes. Keep your heads up, do not obsess with this if you can avoid it...find a balance between living in the present and looking into the future. I cannot know all your problems - some of you are having much more trouble than me, but stay strong. It will happen. And keep fighting for people who want to immigrate to this country, to play by the rules and do so LEGALLY, because one of my biggest frustrations has been how I have NOT been rewarded for playing by the rules of immigration for so many years, while so many others demand special treatment when they have just shown up over the border illegally - THIS IS NOT FAIR. IF WE ALL HAVE TO PLAY BY THE RULES, SO SHOULD EVERYONE!! There is no incentive to play nice if others can just come in and get what we waited in line for, by jumping to the front of the line. NOT FAIR!
I want to thank you all for your contributions to this forum - IT IS AN EXCELLENT RESOURCE, and provided me with a lot of useful information, advice and encouragement. I will stay in touch with this board as you all go through the process as well...and I wish you all the best in your own paths!!
|
Congratulations on your card and that your wait is over!
People illegally working in this country are not getting green cards anymore and judging by the 2 failed immigrations bills they won't get anything in the future. Some of them did, but 20 years ago! in 1987, not anymore, so I don't see the evidence that illegal are getting any immigration benefits.
On the contrary they are being exploited by small and medium companies so they can have fat profits, paying them below the minimum salary and with no health benefits under constant threat that they will be deported if don't work as hard as they are asked.
It's a failure of the government to not have an orderly immigration process for these people and small companies, all this inaction just benefits this abusive system.
|
Thanks for your wishes.
I don't wish to start a debate on illegal immigration, but I beg to differ with your analysis. Nobody who is illegally here in the US was forced to be here...quite the contrary. Sure, fat cat companies are making fat cat profits on the backs of the little guys....nothing new...but the little guys came her voluntarily. To say that they are being exploited is a nonsense, as this implies they are at their jobs against their wills. Not only is this untrue, but they have even broken laws to get those jobs, so they are fighting to KEEP those jobs that are so badly "exploiting" them. If things were so bad, they would leave (and they have that choice)...but clearly they are not.
And I wasn't implying that illegals are getting GCs - of course they are not - thank goodness. But what the are fighting for is amnesty for breaking laws as they stand - laws that every country has - laws that we have all abided by. I'm going to presume that you've been here on an F or L and H visa and you know how damn hard and time consuming and expensive and frustrating and often humiliating the process can be. If it wasn't that for you, then you were one of the lucky ones. You wait in line just to wait in line some more. I've been through all these damn visas...and to think that instead, I could have just waltzed in here illegally, not bothered with any of this, and eventually demanded amnesty, while good people on this TRACKITT board and millions of others complied with the regulations makes me sick. It is wrong.
If we obey laws, we should be rewarded for doing so...but we are not...a look at this board tells how clearly the system needs an overhaul. But to go off the deep end and imply like illegal immigrants are somehow "victims", is the biggest load of crap ever. It is the total opposite to the truth. Again...they broke laws to get where they are at...so how can they be victims. Their current life must be better than in their home countries, otherwise they wouldn't be here - simple logic!
I respect the people on this board for trying to stay within the system, for being legal, for being patient, for enduring so much, when they could have just said "to hell with it" and just stayed illegally. I'm not saying it's easy being an illegal immigrant, but what but what I am saying is that it is ILLEGAL and I would contend that it's HARDER BEING A LEGAL IMMIGRANT while working through this system than it is being an illegal one. That is why I respect everyone on here and wish them the very best!!
|
I don't wish to start a debate on illegal immigration, but I beg to differ with your analysis. Nobody who is illegally here in the US was forced to be here...quite the contrary. Sure, fat cat companies are making fat cat profits on the backs of the little guys....nothing new...but the little guys came her voluntarily. To say that they are being exploited is a nonsense, as this implies they are at their jobs against their wills. Not only is this untrue, but they have even broken laws to get those jobs, so they are fighting to KEEP those jobs that are so badly "exploiting" them. If things were so bad, they would leave (and they have that choice)...but clearly they are not.
And I wasn't implying that illegals are getting GCs - of course they are not - thank goodness. But what the are fighting for is amnesty for breaking laws as they stand - laws that every country has - laws that we have all abided by. I'm going to presume that you've been here on an F or L and H visa and you know how damn hard and time consuming and expensive and frustrating and often humiliating the process can be. If it wasn't that for you, then you were one of the lucky ones. You wait in line just to wait in line some more. I've been through all these damn visas...and to think that instead, I could have just waltzed in here illegally, not bothered with any of this, and eventually demanded amnesty, while good people on this TRACKITT board and millions of others complied with the regulations makes me sick. It is wrong.
If we obey laws, we should be rewarded for doing so...but we are not...a look at this board tells how clearly the system needs an overhaul. But to go off the deep end and imply like illegal immigrants are somehow "victims", is the biggest load of crap ever. It is the total opposite to the truth. Again...they broke laws to get where they are at...so how can they be victims. Their current life must be better than in their home countries, otherwise they wouldn't be here - simple logic!
Mikey, evidently you have never experienced hunger. Of course they are better off here, but only because their situation was absolutely horrible in their home countries.
Also, I'm quite sure you couldn't have held on you hi-tech (I imagine) job had you been an illegal.
There are two completely different types of immigration and they have no relatioship whatsoever with each other. Let's stop this legal vs. illegal nonsense, please! |
"Mikey, evidently you have never experienced hunger" --> Wrong.
"Also, I'm quite sure you couldn't have held on you hi-tech (I imagine) job" --> Wrong.
"There are two completely different types of immigration and they have no relatioship whatsoever with each other". --> Right. 1) Legal and 2) Illegal
You are simplistic in your thinking by essentially saying this: Legal = rich hi-tech person. Illegal = poor hungry person. This is insulting to both groups and is complete BS. Hey everyone on Trackitt: are you all HI-TECH employees living the easy life? Of course not!
You need to check your facts buddy. And stop defending breaking of the law. Call a spade a spade. EVERY country has immigration laws, so cut the nonsense with the violin music in the background about the "poor hungry illegals" and the "rich hi-tech legals". What crap stereotyping by you!
|
Sad... Very sad... The last thing we need on this board is venomos propaganda of FAIR / NumberUSA / Center for Immigration Studies / Tancredo. Nothing will give those immigrant-haters more pleasure than seeing legal and illegal immigrants at each other throat. Fighting between legals and illegals will surely help them to achieve what they dream about: to screw ALL immigrants. And they just got another follower. Sad...
|
I make no apology for my stance. I am a person who went through many years of the legal immigration process, as have many people on this list and not on this list, toiling away at staying legal and doing everything they can to stay upbeat despite getting beaten down by the very system that requires them to comply with all these rules and regulations, as well arbitrary decisions, invisible processes, humiliating procedures etc.
No apologies from me man. I take my hat off to all on this board who try to do the right thing. I am against illegal immigration. Do you understand? I said illegal immigration...meaning I am against those who break the law. Just like Mexico has immigration laws and turns people from Central America away, just like every African, European and Asian country has immigration laws, so too does the USA. Should no country have control over its borders? You must be joking. Amazing that I would get flak for standing up for the law which we all battle to comply with every day through this arduous process.
Instead of being sad about my stance, be sad for your own naivete, short-sightedness and political correctness. What is truly the sad part is your inability to see the difference between legal and illegal, right and wrong. You bucket all "us immigrants" together - and I call BS on that. I, like millions of others, stood in line for years, at much cost, stress and uncertainty to go through this process. I have little sympathy for those who take a look at us "suckers" who obey the law and decide to screw the system instead. They are playing your heartstrings...and you have fallen for their act hook, line and sinker. More than sad.
|
Hi Mikey,
CONGRATULATIONS and enjoy the Freedom we all have been longing for. I do agree that we should all play by the rules. I agree on working out legal ways as well. Amnesty is not a solution. It's acceptance of defeat to the purpose.
Ironically, some are less fortunate than us who have been blessed with the ability and means to legally accomplish our dreams. I feel sad for them. But nonetheless, laws are made to be followed.
True, I seemed obsessed checking on status' everyday. not once, twice but multiple of times a day. Sad isn't it. Frustration of being here physically and having uncertainty if this life is for me and my family does not blend well.
Peace brother and enjoy the dream that came true.
GC FREEDOM
|
I know, mickey, that you feel no apology for expressing hostility toward illegal immigrants. Neither do FAIR, Lou Dobbs and other your similar-minded allies. I take a scientific view of the world and know that some people have more mirror neurons and others have less. Nobody can be blaimed for what they got from the nature but this gives me comfort of understanding the origin of human empathy and hostility.
Due to circumstances, my road to GC (always legal, I should add just for you) is almost twice longer than yours and not over yet. But it was not illegals who put all the obstacles on it for me, or on the road of you and others on this board. It was exactly the very same people whose "don't you understand illegal?" message you honestly believe. They put tremendous pressure to make a legal road as long, limited, exhausting and painful as they could achieve. After you are done copying pages of their illegal-immigration propaganda here, you may want to become familiar with their other ideas about "limiting legal immigration", "detremental effect of legal immigration on native born" or "full moratorium on all immigration". They don't hate illegal immigrants only. They hate all immigrants. They hate you, mickey. May be, even more than illegals - I doubt, they honestly want the jobs of illegals on the farm field, but they are absolutely sure that you "stole" their nice-paying office job (rightfully belonging to natives only) with your immigration here. Why do you join the ranks with your haters, mickey? Is it Stockholm syndrome?
After those people get the taste of their first big upcoming victory over illegals, they will not stop. They will want more. Are you sure they wouldn't come after you next? If they would grow in strength and put their brethren in power by exploiting illegal immigration issue, they would have no hesitation going further and pushing through Congress, for example, a legislation to revoke the green cards of all job-stealing legal immigrants. They would do it legally, through Congress. Would you still continue your "legal" song when they start legally deporting you at that time? Hard to beleive? And who is naive here? Some green card holders believed in the past that their green card status is secure forever. Then your new friends pushed through Congress 1996 law deporting them retroactively for even petty crimes commited in their youth decades ago. Aren't you worried that your support for these people on one issue would help them "solve" some other issues like deporting GC holders for a speeding or parking ticket received also decades ago? Hard to beleive? How about reading something about recent changes in UK Highly Skilled Migrant Programme which retroactively denied some permanent residents in Britain a right to remian there. Still not worried? Hmm, whatever...
May be, you hope to be a naturalized citizen by then? In this case, you better notice Senator Ensign Social Security amendment a couple of weeks ago which got 57-40 votes in favor (only barely below 60-vote fillibuster-ending threshold). For the first time in my memory and to my knowledge, this amendment made direct attempt to screw up specifically some naturalized US citizens. Not some powerless illegals but voting citizens who were not lucky enough to be US citizens by birth. Who would believe even a few years ago that this would be possible? The fire of xenophobia, nativism and protectionism will consume illegals first but it will not stop there and, eventually, will burn us, legal immigrants, as well if we don't help to contain it. Why are you helping this fire to spread?
|
Well, I started by saying I didn't want to get into a debate about this, but a couple of the usual liberal, law-breaking apologists such as you, are spouting their usual, stereotyped nonsense. Yours is the propaganda, not mine.
Buddy, your views of the world could not be LESS "scientific", so do yourself a favor and climb down from that pedestal you put yourself and your intellect on...for they are sorely lacking in both raw horse power and facts upon which to establish your arguments. I don't know what circles you move in, but you've found somebody that can smell the BS from a mile away...and you are full of it in your defense of breaking the law.
Your silly argument goes as follows: "defend the ILLEGALS, for if you dont, next it will be YOU!" Dude...you should see somebody about the state of your paranoia. This is not scientific thinking on your part...it is neurosis. You are saying that I should defend law-breakers because next they will come after law-abiders?? Huh? Perhaps you should apply your rationale to everything else too (though you probably do): "Defend the drunk drivers, because soon they will create a law banning the drinking of coffee and drinking and they'll come after YOU." "Defend the child rapists, because soon they will raise the legal age of consent to 25 and come after YOU." What nonsense! Your logic is so warped, I don't even know where to begin. You can quote renegade senators all you like, it makes no difference. There are crazies everywhere...including those who probably want coffee and driving banned - are you worried about that too??
In short, just like I don't bucket people who have consensual adult sex with child rapists, like I don't equate drunk drivers with those who drive after drinking a cup of coffee, I also don't equate myself and my millions of brothers and sisters bravely and patiently going through the LEGAL immigration process with any of those coming here ILLEGALLY. I HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH THOSE WHO COME HERE TO BREAK THE LAW. If you do, hey, knock yourself out, but don't you dare put me in the same grouping as you, or as them. If YOU want to equate yourself with illegals, rather than your brethren going through the stresses that you read on this board every day...please do so. But don't presume that all of the rest of us, who have a truly logical view of the world would want to associate with any of you.
I am GRATEFUL that the US has finally let me in. Do I LIKE the process?? No, I hate it! As I said in my original post, it has cost me years of stress, time, money, uncertainty, job unpleasantness, etc. But I do understand what a WONDERFUL COUNTRY this is, and that we all WANT to be here for a reason, and that just because we choose to comply with the law DOES NOT mean (like some earlier person stereotyped) that we are all "rich hi-tech" employees or that we have it easy. Wake up and smell the coffee friend: there are plenty of poor, hungry, less fortunate people who choose to go through the LEGAL process...following the law does not mean you're rich just like breaking the law does not mean you're poor. I am comfortable having to EARN the right to live in this country (this is not the same as defending a bad system) - it is not automatic, the same as any other country (if you'd care to sharpen up those "scientific" views of yours, you would know the facts and you would keep quiet).
Good luck to all of you who have CHOSEN to go through this difficult but legal process. Hats of to YOU, not to those who have chosen to bypass us and then cry foul. I am NOT like those people who break the law, and as far as I'm concerned, if I and millions can go through this system, so should everyone. NO APOLOGIES. Now do me a favor, and take the real propaganda, that which you spout, and go join an illegal immigrant board and express your support there. It is an insult to those who are toiling through the legal mess of this system for you to defend those who CHOOSE to go around it. End of discussion.
Good luck to everyone else on these boards!
|
Hey GC,
Thanks! It is a big relief. I trust you will get your dream soon too - it looks like you are on track! Best of luck!
|
Mikey:
I'm against illegal immigration too ! Differently from you, the object of my "hatred" are not illegal immigrants (who don't "come here to break the law", but rather to find a job), but illegal employers who get rich on other people's miseries.
I know for a fact that in my well paid line of business I couldn't work for five seconds if I didn't have a valid working permit.
I also believe that the majority of illegals take low end jobs.
You say that it is a stereotype and therefore you must know of some "rich" guy working illegally a plush job in the U.S.
Even worse! His employer is scamming the government, and ultimately me as a taxpayer, of due taxes and again is getting much richer than any of his employees, legal or illegal, ever could by unfair and unlawful practices.
Illegal immigrants are modern day slaves and they are victims, not criminals. Some simple logic would help you understand that: an illegal must necessarily command a lower pay that a legal worker doing the same job, otherwise he would never be hired. Not to speak about workplace safety, etc.
I'll always support legislation hitting hard employers of illegal workers, on the other hand. Those are the real criminals.
|
Why are wasting so much time argument anyways . Its a moot point . Comprehensive Immigration reform failed . Illegals didn't get amnesty they were asking for . I also hate the fact that after waiting seven long years , including going through labor certification 3 times I still don't have my green card following all the rules .
Who said life was fair. This is a free country , but a fair country ummmmmmmmmm your guess is good as mine !!!
Congrats Mikey enjoy the freedom !!!
|
I never thought that a long and frustrating green card journey can lead to PTSD. You proved me wrong here, mickey. Get well soon, buddy!
|
As I suspected...more "science" from Dr Burkino. Apologies for having smashed your argument to pieces, but it was too easy...I didn't mean to stomp all over your over-inflated ego. Go back to sleep my friend...you clearly need some mental R&R.
|
You know what? I partly agree with you. I think we should hit these employers through high fines etc...and hit them hard. They are just as much to blame as the individuals...as is the government for letting these corporations get away with this.
But there is one fundamental area where you are completely wrong. As I said, these people are NOT victims or slaves. That is, in fact, an insult to REAL slaves who were LEGALLY OWNED by other people and were not allowed to do anything of their own choosing. Illegal immigrant, by sharp contrast, are here VOLUNTARILY...nobody is holding a gun to their head saying "work for me or else". In fact, most of these people have made HUGE EFFORTS to get to the US and get those jobs...that is HARDLY SOMETHING A SLAVE WOULD DO!! It takes two to tango...and illegals are entering into a WILLING employment contract (even if verbally), and they are FREE TO GO anytime. Hello? Who is the victim?
My friend...what is happening here is not slavery or victimhood. It is the oldest law of ECONOMICS, supply and demand. It is the case of two sides of the equation EXPLOITING EACH OTHER: companies using illegals for cheap labor, and illegals using companies to let them live in the US and often make much more money than they would back in their home countries. There are no victims here...everyone's eyes are wide open as dance this dance. And they can walk away any time. THESE are the facts.
|
For those that think, illegal immigration does not impact legal immigrants, I will refer to 245(i) in April 2001, which caused huge delays in labor processing in states like NY.
That said, this forum is very useful in sharing topical information that enhances our knowledge on what to anticipate in our individual cases. It might be best to leave out debating such broader issues and political ideologies.
|
Symptoms:
A patient complained about "emotional, frustrating, seemingly un-ending, expensive, uncertain and stressful experience" of his immigration process. While most people would agree with such characterization, they greet the end of this period of stress and anxiety with the words of joy and hapiness. This is the first known case on this tracker when the end of stress resulted in an unprovoked aggressive outburst of anger and hostility toward irrelevant group of human beings whom the patient, apparently, mistakenly blames for the sufferings he has experienced.
Diagnosis:
Patient reaction qualifies as stressor A2, according to Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-IV. Symptoms that appear at first are called Acute stress disorder, not PTSD as was determined in our preliminary diagnosis. Neurochemistry of the condition is caused by low level of brain catecholamine and suppression of dexamethasone cortisol production over a long period of stress. This increases sensitivity of cortisol receptors. Exact level of cortisol is unknown due to unavailability of the patient's urine secretion analysis. Rapid increase in blood concentration of adrenaline at the abrupt end of the stress acts on hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis through cortisol receptors, impacting patient's amygdala and explaining the observed symptoms.
Treatment:
The most effective treatment of Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing is unavailable because the attending physician is only a physicist and not a psychotherapist. Some researches believe that talk therapy may prove useful, but only insofar as the individual sufferer is enabled to come to terms with the trauma suffered and successfully integrate the experiences in a way that does not further damage the psyche. However, the patient has not shown any improvement after three successive sessions of talk therapy. In our opinion, it is advisable to consider the intake of Propranolol or other beta blocker. Acute PTSD subsides after a duration of three months. If the symptoms persist, the diagnosis should be changed to chronic PTSD.
Discalimer: I am neither lawyer nor psychotherapist. The above analysis of the patient's condition is based on publicly available information on after-stress disorders. Licensed professionals should be consulted for exact diagnosis and treatment. Left untreated, the disorder can develop into insane loudobbism or tancredoism.
|
congrats!
And do not worry about illegals, they have enough enemies. I live in Virginia and they are being abused in such ways they remind me of jew fleeing from the nazis. I am legal and still a human being, and I still feel compasion and pain for people who just escaped hunger. But I am not even a GC holder yet. Next year, maybe Tancredo and Lou Dobbs will have their away and take away the whole process even for legal immigrants. We are trash on their eyes. If it weren't for my husband I would probably be back home by now. I am tired to listen to Lou Dobbs on tv comparing illegals from mexico to people with leper. They are illegals but still human beings. Maybe they should be sent back home but treated as humans, not as trash.
|
Congratulations!!!!
I agree with you on one point - IMO, illegal residents / aliens consume DHS resources.
USCIS says it is running short on resources and hence the delay in the processing for those complying by the law.
Also if one wishes to be assimilated into a society, one must play by the rules of the society.
It seems illogical to favor the law breakers over the law abiders.
All said - more resources need to be allocated to resolve this issue, and priority should be given to the people who have played by the rules.
|
Hi Mikey,
A friend of mine sent me this link and I was just reading this whole post. I had to create an account and reply to your post. I'm sorry to say but you are the biggest idiot I have ever seen. What a jerk. I can't believe someone can be so emotional about getting a GC and even have the guts to write it here. Besides that, how can you say so many stupid things about illegal immigrants? (I'm not illegal here BTW, ok). You know nothing about life. You said you are happy that you can live here like a human being but there is a problem, you are not a human being. You are just a selfish idiot. I hope someday when the US economy collapses, you and Lou Dobbs will be jumping the fence to the Mexican side and begging for a Mexican GC.
Do you think you are better than them? You were just luck buddy. Don’t be so proud of yourself. Don’t think you have more brain cells than all illegal Mexicans. I see everyday several illegal Mexicans far smarter than you cleaning restrooms. They did not have opportunities.
I think you and Lou Dobbs should start the White Supremacy of Non-Illegal Immigrants. How does that sound to you?
Open your eyes. Cut this crap my friend.
BTW, I’m not illegal nor Mexican but I have brain and I hate ignorance.
|
Mikey, Congratulations on your Green Card.
I have to say though; your argument on illegal immigration just proves the fact that the U.S should not admit every immigrant wanting to immigrate here. It's quite evident that you too have the Lou Dobbs syndrome and it's a shame, because these immigrant haters have gotten even to us legal immigrants and have succeeded in driving a wedge between us. Amazing how someone who has been through the headache of this immigration system would not understand the plight of all immigrants, legal and illegal. Not everyone is fortunate enough to get an H1 or any other visa, and some even have circumstances you will never know of because you don't care to know. Obviously you don't know what it feels like being in a situation where you to choose between crossing a border or starving your children to death.
USCIS should have a test of common sense and compassion before issuing green cards, which would stop a lot of this nonsense.
Here's to a green card wasted.
|
Awesome Sdtx,
It gives me hope when I see sentences like this one you wrote here,
"Obviously you don't know what it feels like being in a situation where you to choose between crossing a border or starving your children to death. "
|
I am not illegally in this country but I am a human being, and if I had to cross the border to feed my kids, because I was unlucky enough to be born in a place like that I would do it. Not only that, I would DO ANYTHING (except probably kill and prostitution or sell drugs) for them.
The US is a wonderful place but also a country where you can kill unborn babies and it is legal. The irony.......
BTW Lou Dobbs is married to a mexican-american woman and her parents live with him, so I dont know where all the s*h*i*t is coming from. Probably her parents also crossed the border illegally. But something is true, he is a bigo and a hipocrit.
|
Hey Mikey,
Just saw something that you might enjoy. The MINUTEMAN is accepting applications.
I think you should enlist yourself. Buy your bumper stick "Proud to be American" and an American flag and go there.
You will be welcomed there for sure since your blood is blue red and white now.
|
if I and millions can go through this system, so should everyone. NO APOLOGIES.
The problem is that "the system" cannot accomodate the flow rate, so there is excess pressure at its input and a major bypass channel formed as a result. Just because the system was benevolent enough to let you through personally, while not allowing others, mostly for the misfortune of a wrong place of birth, does not mean the system is designed to accommodate all with similar desires, qualifications, and work ethic.
don't you dare put me in the same grouping as you, or as them.
So, you personally are not in the same group, but in the group of those more fortunate who are able to be accommodated. Looking down on those with less fortune is not a trait that is generally welcome. |
I wont dare to put you in the same group. A lot of them are decent human beings. Not racists or bigots.... so no you dont belong with them
|
Please lets not debate over a topic which has so divided opinion and very sensitive and this forum is not intended for this. Lets keep it strictly to I-140/I485 issue.
|
This is absolutely sad. The worst is that all of that is coming from an IMMIGRANT.
INstead of blaming the system, you are blaming the people and advising everybody go through that shit?
I understand that there are the rules. Which I dont understand is that why the legal immigration takes so much time/pain???
I applied for GC through one of the top employment based categories. And being "highly desirable and necessarry for this country" I am stucked in the process for 2 years now. Well something is wrong here. If I had an idea before that legal immigration to US is taking decades I would NEVER even considered to try it.
|
Ummm Crazybrazilian:
Your name says it all. You have no life. If you have to register on this site specifically to spout your vile (and hardly literate) venom, you really need to get a hobby. What a sad, pathetic....nay, tragic individual you must be. Get a life dear boy.
Besides the fact that you are an absolute mental case, who cannot engage in debate other than name-calling (and hereby requiring an equal response from me...it seems like name-calling might be the only type of "discussion" you understand), you pretend like you know me. For example, you say: "you are the biggest idiot I have ever seen". Oh boy...I am afraid I must be dealing with a 5-year old, or someone with the brain capacity of that age. I am ill-equipped to deal with sub-par IQs such as yours. Forgive me...you need professional help of the kind I am not trained to deal with. Perhaps they can treat you in the jungle you came from.
Idiotbrazilian, you make not one single point of substance in your posting, not a single one. You make statements like "You know nothing about life", "You were just luck buddy". What? Get your head read, buttwipe. You also seem to be racist: why are you referring to Mexicans? Why do you say they are cleaning restrooms? You are engaging in racial stereotypes, and you don't even realize it, you total moron. I happen to know plenty of Mexicans and am friends with quite a few: they are wonderful: smart, ambitious, and friendly. These are not adjectives I would use for you though, you scum.
Dude - why don't you save your so-called "brain" for what you so racistly claim Mexicans should be doing: go back and clean some toilets yourself. And while you're at it, why don't you flush your head in the bowl and drown in some illegal faecal matter.
Ate mais tarde, idiot.
|
CarolVa,
Oh I see, so I'm a racist and bigot by wanting to uphold the law?? Very weak, very weak argument indeed. WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK IS ON THIS BOARD, FOOL? AMERICANS? AM I AN AMERICAN? CLEARLY NOT! AND I WANT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ON TRACKITT TO GET THEIR GREEN CARDS, REGARDLESS OF RACE, RELIGION OR CREED!!!
So who is the bigot? Me, who is pro everybody getting a green card if they go through the process, or you, who so lamely pulls the "racist/bigot" label when I want to uphold the law.
CarolVa, yes, don't put me in the same bucket as the illegals. Rather put YOURSELF there...and I hope they deport your ass.
|
v7461558,
I don't look down on anyone who upholds the law. I do look down on those who don't. And if you don't see the difference between right and wrong, if you can't realize that every country has similar procedures, if you can't help those who waited for their GCs while playing by this horrible legal migration route (I wanted 7 years for mine...many have waited even more) ahead of those who have broken the law and then expected amnesty, then there is something terribly warped about your world view. Very warped.
|
dude,
You may have had a point, but anyone who might have been tempted to remotely agree with you must be repelled by now seeing you spit out such abusive posts on others! These issues are complex without a right and wrong answer, since immigration is always a privilege and never a right. Though peple might be able to understand your frustration, you are not making your point any stronger by such language - everyone is entitled to their opinion! This forum is for civilized exchange of information to others in similar situation.
Enjoy your green card and take it easy!
|
us2you,
You're actually 100%. But 3 points:
1) The choice of my words, no matter how poor you think they were, were only baited out of me by folks who descended this conversation into name-calling. I'm not inherently proud of my words, as I prefer to "discuss" in a civilized manner (and that's how I began these postings if you'll read the whole thread) rather than name-call, but asking me to take the "high road" in this, by not calling out those who have no business judging me as a person, when some people on this board can do "hit and run" type posts, besmirching my name, intelligence, character, background etc. just based on my expressing my point of view, is unrealistic. If someone drags me down into the mud, I have to slug it out with them... in the mud. Funny how you only step in NOW to talk about language and civility - where were you for several posts that were less than civil towards me, hmmm? Or are you writing to those people right now?
2) My words don't change the substance of the issue. It remains what it is. You either agree with it, or you don't. Nobody of substance can be moved from their point of view by somebody else's less-than-ideal choice of words about the topic - the facts stand and you make your mind up based on the facts, not on somebody else's rhetoric.
3) The "silent majority" who agree with me did not exactly speak up in numbers to support my point (that is how the silent majority behaves...though I did receive some private emails supporting my views), so I find it a bit late in the day to be talking about the possibility that I might be right, only in the context of now perhaps re-considering it. That makes no sense whatsoever, but that is what you are doing.
You do make a fine point about language, caveated by the above points. I wish you would have been a little more balanced in your approach as you watched this thread unfold, even if you only read the whole thing now, as you would have seen very clearly where the civility disappeared and where the language deteriorated...it was certainly not me. I am only guilty of continuing what somebody else began - sounds a but childish, I agree...
You seem like someone who is able to have a civil conversation, and I appreciate that. This is in contrast to some of the personal things others said about me in their responses to a topic that is clearly emotional, but in which instead of debating the facts, they targeted me as a person. I won't go down without a fight - sorry. And I am enjoying my GC and I am taking it easy :-)
|
Mikey,
I appreciate your support to Lawful immigration, I also have seen that you started a clean conversation but was lead into this dirty name calling game. The following are some of my points…. which I think most of us would agree (even the name calling folks):
1. I respect a Laws/rules made by Law abiding Individuals (At some point even those who are now called legal immigrants have come to this country illegally (based on the current Law). since most of us fail to abide by the law at some point in our life and willingly/unwillingly accept punishment. Hence, my next point
2. We need to be graceful in handling the underprivileged/deprived/unfortunate ( I’m sure you are not opposed to concessions based on grace)
3. Law Abiders/legal immigrants should be given higher priority.
|
Mike - congrats on your milestone achievement. Some of your words ("felt like such a pawn in the system") caused some of my grey cells to huddle around a fire and string some words together... below is not a response to anyone's post in particular but to the first post on this thread.
I think there are strong emotions on both sides of the fence, and rightfully so, from where each is coming from (even reading this thread creates an emotional impulse to dive in). The reason being both sides have invested a lot, 1) legally - who are being held for years by the system putting a noose around them to keep them from jumping around, "but are here to make a better life", and 2) illegally - and I don't mean the bad guys they should be called to justice, but folks who have been succoured in by the big firms (who are driven to make numbers), "but are here to make a better life". The common theme is clear, but the economic or political driver (IMHO) here is - the big firms who give a damn about how the lives are being affected, they are the ones who are skimming the milk while "both sides" are kept on the fire to boil, the system has been designed to enable them to do just that. I am not a economist neither a politician, just a thinker, but to me this is as high as it goes to designing a system that enables a country to harvest the worlds best to grow and stay in power. Of course, needless to say, I am part of this system, cause we like to get boiled in the hope of making a better life but in the broader context (when one is able to get out of the pot and view the picture from the outside...) where are we headed as human beings, well its too broad for me to tackle (plus the system has ensured the bills keep me focussed... on not dwelling on the big picture lest I understand/spoil the artists vision), so I will head back inside the pot.
As I am diving back in (feeling the heat), we all want to abide by the laws but are forced to question the laws from time to time. Is the system being governed for the laws to be consistently enforced? Why is the system in place that forces the legal side to wait for years in the name of being skilled while their skills are tempered... on the other hand, why is the system in place that allows the illegal side to quietly come in, the employers to quietly employ them, we know we have the best technology, process and people but the system (if it had a governance process) failed to enforce these laws consistently. So, laws are good only if they are enforced, but the system allowed the bad (but positive $, enron etc. more importantly the undiscovered ones that are supported by the system) behavior all along, utilizing the folks in the boiling water (and I mean both the struggling sides) to justify the overpowering and uncontrolled needs of the ones outside, hmmmm... system seems to be preserving the needs of the few, the system is being managed by those few so it comes down to how much their altruistic efforts permeate to the bottom of the pot.
Disclaimer: I am not responding to anyone in particular just some thoughts (based on my limited IQ) to share with the hope that this encourages a few of us to come out (of the pot) and take the entire picture in context, cause each of us can be passionate about the side of the coin they are sitting on, while the ones collecting the coins are smiling.
|
Mikey,
Fair enough. I did follow the thread from the beginning, as it was an interesting side-issue, and I do understand and symphathize with your legitimate (or legal:-) ) frustration. However, the subsequent degeneration of the discussion made it impossible to contribute. Most peole have zero interest in joining a battle in the mud, especially when the primary reason of coming to the forum is information, rather than heated ideological debates. It's still disappointing to see how people equate the anonymity with impunity to use any foul language, but oh well.., I ignore those, but responded to you only since I felt you had a point, but felt the words were weakening the case.
My 2 cents on the issue - bennpaul summarized the key points very well. I also agree with your feeling that negative incentives to following the law (what republicans call 'amnesty') creates frustration in the law-abiding citizens first and then sets a poor precedent. That doesn't mean there should be no compassion - e.g., Giuliani's reforms made a lot of sense.
It's obviously a complex issue - similar to a refugee crisis. When does a nation draw a line between compassion and its own self-interest? Anyone who has gone through the arduous process will likely feel a frustration seeing others break the law (despite any extenuating circumstances). Of course, all laws are subjective - e.g., why should EB1s get GCs faster? Someone makes the law to determine these shades of gray and you can go through democratic processes to change it if you don't like it, but as law-abiding citizens, you still have to follow the system. If you really don't like the system and have no hope of changing it, you leave the country and try to immigrate elsewhere!! Despite the fraction of xenophobes, America is still a great country, with a legal system, despite imperfections, is still equitable and meritocratic, unlike most other places in the planet!
|
|
Users currently subscribed this discussion: CarolVa, sergy71, mikey, bennpaul, GCfreedom, stillw8ing, padhuvenu, sdtx, rv2007, CrazyBrazilian, us2you
|
