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Topic: Help ImmigrationVoice..Help yourself
Hello..fellow community ...
It is sad that we ourselves can't raise funds for our own benefit despite of large community around this country. Lets help ourselves by funding whatever you can. I feel it's a responsibility of supporting community at minimum. We earn much and we loose much and we pay high fee, spend money for entertainment etc.. Can't we help Immigration Voice for a common cause that gets us much better system in place, bills forwarding?. If not helping means , we ourselves helping others to push us down.
So.. Help Immigration Voice..Help yourself..Visit www.ImmigrationVoice.com to make difference. We can do.
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I am surprised that inspite of so many screwups(not honoring PDs/RDs, retrogession even in processing times etc) with USCIS, IV is not questioning USCIS. I am sure IV dont need any donations for such a task. I guess IV should first start showing some reasons to believe them. I am sure there are lot of generous hearts among our immigrant community who can donate money for even a simple cause.
So stop whining and start questioning IV.
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I am surprised that inspite of so many screwups(not honoring PDs/RDs, retrogession even in processing times etc) with USCIS, IV is not questioning USCIS. I am sure IV dont need any donations for such a task. I guess IV should first start showing some reasons to believe them. I am sure there are lot of generous hearts among our immigrant community who can donate money for even a simple cause.
So stop whining and start questioning IV.
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I don't think IV is for questioning USCIS. It's purpose is different. It's goal is to get bills going forward.
U can even question USCIS as an applicant, In fact but u can't do same to get bills moved up which requires communal effort together. I believe, U didn't get what IV is for. You should have faith. Results won't come in over night w/o efforts that requires lot of people help in many ways.
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whatever.
just because iv chooses legislative issues over processing delays, i will not condemn the effort. i see you are current- so you only care about processing, and that is fine. what is not fine is to force that choice on others. processing delays are a real problem- YES! but for most of us there are much bigger issues, and with limited resources and finite numbers willing to put an effort- well got to pick and choose! you see, most people only "question" they don't lift fingers to help.
there is a group on iv that wanted PERM delays addressed. they have been given all assistance (the only condition was that they should lead their own effort). now they have a constant thread up with a letter template and they are working on sending petitions to the ATL PERM center. so you see...you can question USCIS too...but YOU will have to make an effort for it. and i guess that is a non starter......
not interested in further discussion on this. wrong forum for activist ideas. its for tracking and does a great job of it. many people here are current or close to being so and really don't care. that's fine too. each one has to look out for their own...
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IV is a waste of time and effort - I don't agree with most of what they are pushing for, and they seem to jump on the bandwagon when ANYTHING positive occurs with regard to immigration and claim it as their own victory ...
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like i said ...whatever.
at least someone is making an effort. it's easy to talk, easy to question and easy to criticize.
iv did get July 07 reversed, Lofgren's office coordinated directly with iv on that action. the reversal was announced on the iv forum before anyone knew about it.
the 2 year EAD was announced on IV before anyone knew- then too all the armchair critics went after iv- and when it did not happen for a while- still IV's fault. well...now its reality. but of course its some nebulous magic at work...could not be the sincere efforts of a bunch of volunteers.....that would be so terrible!
for 2 years iv has developed a relationship with Rep Lofgren. now it's paying off. the bills that have been introduced came when no one expected anything. iv had indicated they were coming well before they were introduced and on thomas. but of course...could not be an iv effort...that would be soooo terrible!
"well meaning albeit armchair critics" want results FIRST then they will contribute or believe. that is actually hilarious. this is not a commercial organization with investors or VCs, and you are not a shareholder. this a voluntary grassroots effort. please think about that awhile. either we make the effort or we don't- results cannot come first.
all i ask of people is, if you don't want to lift a finger, that is perfectly fine and dandy. just don't keep dissing those who make an effort. it demeans the entire community when you do that.
please everyone do yourselves a favor and DO NOT reply on this thread. please let it die. thanks!
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It's a great resource - but I must say, until they stop randomly blocking ip addresses for no reason, and then unblocking them a day or two later, I'll keep my cash. But as I said, a great resource and I'm glad theyr'e there.
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I don't believe they block ip's for no reason unless violated rules etc.. Moreover some people doesn't really want IV very active. For them, it's a waste effort but for others ..it is important.
It is always easy to criti'ze rather helping/donating...becoz it's just matter of few free words online :).
"Our community those belongs to suffering categories still needs to learn lot from others/from this society on how to help each other for common goal". Keep the -ve mentality out. Even if u got ur GC or closer to get approved..ur participation/contribution still helps people and it is a real satisfaction for urself ..that it self makes u feel better of entire stress one may experiencing in this GC process etc.
GC is not an end to our journy. In the future, We may required to fix issues on the way to citizenship..who knows...
It's up to every one's choice on what u wanna do ..help or not..w/o criti'zing others...eventually.
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I am an active contributer to IV since Dec 2006 and I will keep it that way because I agree with their agenda and I believe in their efforts and its effectiveness. I come to trackitt because I find this tracker a great resource. I dont see any conflict here and I will keep visiting trackitt unless IV comes up with such a diverse tracker. Everyone is entitled to their own openion, but I guess its better if one does not push it on others.
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It's a great resource - but I must say, until they stop randomly blocking ip addresses for no reason, and then unblocking them a day or two later, I'll keep my cash. But as I said, a great resource and I'm glad theyr'e there.
I happened to see this:
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19377
Maybe these people ask for it |
IV is a waste of time and effort - I don't agree with most of what they are pushing for, and they seem to jump on the bandwagon when ANYTHING positive occurs with regard to immigration and claim it as their own victory ...
Because you are ROW.
A lot of ROW I have come across are against IV. EB2 ROW think that if Immigrationvoice.org is successful, their EB2 ROW dates will not be current anymore. Indians and Chinese will take their share of greencards. EB3 ROW also do not want country caps to be removed as we feel that if country caps are removed EB3 ROW will move back for us.
EB1s do not care about the problem. They are always current and are big shots in their career so they either do not have time or the interest in fighting the system. They just want to use trackiitt to track their application and have a few jokes here and there. They get serious only when they themselves are stuck somewhere.
Thus we are all looking after our own interests. I have my disagreements on few things, but overall I have liked them because I like the idea of doing action against injustice and it helped me personally taking action against this messy immigration system. This is the reason that I went to immigrationvoice.org DC rally last year spending my own money and time and stood with Indians and Chinese against the injustice and have a few times contributed money. I do not regret contributing money for this cause. I contribute for lot many other causes too where I feel strongly. |
InLineLongTime,
If IV is a non-profit organization for immigrants but not questioning USCIS on why it is not following their very own system they set, then IV's existence is for lost cause.
lfwf,
Honestly, something like July'07 reversal would have happened anyway cos its just not possible to get away with a blunder like that in this country. But again, most of us dont really fight or demand for additional privilages like passing bills, 2 year EADs etc. All we want is USCIS to be fair and follow the system they have set and when they dont, we need someone to question that on our behalf. It is here that IV failed. As far your "results FIRST" theory, are you suggesting that people should donate whenever a nonprofit/charity org is opened without believing in its merits? I think you need to wake up.
Finally, when you goto IV website and goto "About Immigration Voice" page, they started the page with sentence "The Employment based green card system is completely broken due to excessive delays and backlogs..." It is this irony that makes me hesitate to donate, not that I cannot/dont want to donate. When IV knows about this broken system, what is stopping them to question USCIS. Trust me guys, most of us here want the broken system to be fixed rather than some bills passed.
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InLineLongTime,
If IV is a non-profit organization for immigrants but not questioning USCIS on why it is not following their very own system they set, then IV's existence is for lost cause.
lfwf,
Honestly, something like July'07 reversal would have happened anyway cos its just not possible to get away with a blunder like that in this country. But again, most of us dont really fight or demand for additional privilages like passing bills, 2 year EADs etc. All we want is USCIS to be fair and follow the system they have set and when they dont, we need someone to question that on our behalf. It is here that IV failed. As far your "results FIRST" theory, are you suggesting that people should donate whenever a nonprofit/charity org is opened without believing in its merits? I think you need to wake up.
Finally, when you goto IV website and goto "About Immigration Voice" page, they started the page with sentence "The Employment based green card system is completely broken due to excessive delays and backlogs..." It is this irony that makes me hesitate to donate, not that I cannot/dont want to donate. When IV knows about this broken system, what is stopping them to question USCIS. Trust me guys, most of us here want the broken system to be fixed rather than some bills passed.
Do you think questioning USCIS will fix the system?
If that was true, every year there are several hearings in immigration sub commitee. Even this year Zoe Lofgren had a hearing and questioned USCIS on delays. Do you think USCIS changed dramatically after that? We all saw that drama and the clever answers.
How do you know IV has not questioned USCIS?
Do you know anything about admin fix campaign. They have done several meetings with administration. How do I know? Because I remember reading it on the site and updates. I also have seen updates where they talk about meeting Ombudsman and USCIS on issues. I also saw updates when they were meeting USCIS on namecheck issue.
If July bulletin was not because of IV, then how come IV posted the news before anyone? How come USCIS posted about the flower campaign on its homepage? How come AILA posted a note on its site that nothing can happen but IV defied that and posted on its site that a july bulletin reveral is happening due to IV. If you think it was because of Zoe Lofgren, then why cant you think that IV was talking to her. Do you know IV did a rally in her district during this fiasco.
Now dont you think when IV is talking to media about greencard problems it is also questioning USCIS?
Dont you think when IV meets administration, it is questioning USCIS?
Dont you think when IV tals to Zoe Lofgren and other senators who are in the committees that has oversight of USCIS they are questioning USCIS?
You are free to believe whatever you want. I used to have questions like yours when I first joined their website. But after spending time there and getting involved with their campaigns I understood that these people are just like us and they are honest and genuinely trying hard despite their own jobs, family life. |
Very True..Roxy...Appreciated ur post. One has to be involved in the activities/believe to know the facts and truths. People in frustrated situation would always expect results quickly but needs to understand that we dealing with a complex system and changes comes gradually.
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Very True..Roxy...Appreciated ur post. One has to be involved in the activities/believe to know the facts and truths. People in frustrated situation would always expect results quickly but needs to understand that we dealing with a complex system and changes comes gradually.
Folks,
If whatever you say is true about IV, then IV does not need brand ambassadors like you. I guess they can make people believe in them. |
Very True..Roxy...Appreciated ur post. One has to be involved in the activities/believe to know the facts and truths. People in frustrated situation would always expect results quickly but needs to understand that we dealing with a complex system and changes comes gradually.
Folks,
If whatever you say is true about IV, then IV does not need brand ambassadors like you. I guess they can make people believe in them.
We are not brand ambassadors. We are IV.Even you are IV if you like it or not. There s no 'they'. It is all 'us'. |
We are not talking about that kind of freedom of speech. That is not acceptable by any means.
On IV, when people respectfully talk about not considering the US educated students as well, they are banned. Why?
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pappusingh,
If you have courage, why is your blog anonymous.
Why are you scared of posting your real name, address and phone number on your blog so that everyone knows you have a spine.
For all we know you are one anti immigrant SOB
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Roxy, Why don't you post your real name, address and phone number? And I need the same for pappu - The unfair administrator.
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We are not talking about that kind of freedom of speech. That is not acceptable by any means.
On IV, when people respectfully talk about not considering the US educated students as well, they are banned. Why?
what kind of respectfully speaking are you talking about
Is that your idea of respect: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19377&page=2
Using abusive language is not respect. |
You are not getting my point. I already told you I am not talking about abusive language. That is not acceptable at all.
I am talking about difference of opinion or different opinion.
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Once you give me those, you will see what I do.
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PAPPU.......what is this?
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I need the real name, phone number and address of 'Roxy' and 'Pappu-Administrator'.
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roxy,
I agree with you 100% on abusive language. Infact, there should be zero tolerence on that. Again, this is not about IV's forum. There are some genuine questions(why not honoring PDs/RDs, why retrogession even in processing times etc) we all have to USCIS for which we never heard any answers from any immigrations lawyers. We just hope organizations like IV would take up something like that. Unfortunately I have not seen anything like that from them yet. If I missed it, please give me some details on those.
As far their association with congressmen or they pushing bills etc I appreciate that but please note that we can probably live without those. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I would any day can live without additional privilages but not when system does not work on expectations it has set.
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Look at this poster. Do you find any abusive language in that? Why was he banned?
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Politics of Senior IV members. Really sucks
Some of the things mentioned, IP banning etc... are true....moreover last year the rude response the H1 lottery guys got from the EB guys was an indicator of the selfish nature of IV.....it does sound suspicious to me that IV is jumping on the bandwagon....Sen. Kennedy and a few prominent leaders had written to DHS to implement the 29 month OPT rule way back in Nov, in which case people in my batch would have benefited, but IV did not support it one bit, even now there is nothing in the OPT extension that benefits the real lottery victims of last year and IV leadership is silent on this issue.My guess about IV is that it behaves just politicians back home in India: promise people something and make money for yourself, in this case, IV isn't making money but the so-called 'leaders and admins' want to portray themselves as the 'good guys' and meet with senators etc. in IV's name and get their own GCs expedited......
Nothing wrong with that really, but the title 'Immigration Voice' seems a bit too far reaching and overambitious.....I hope IV does improve....
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We are not brand ambassadors. I myself felt little responsibility for a common cause and I donated and going to be more active.
It is very clear that some people tried IV to focus on other issues as they want. You can't pull IV out of it's main goal. If you want your issues to be addressed then make urself actively working on those issues as volunteer. Otherwise, ur intentions are for ur own issue, rather a common cause which all we trying to adress. GOOD JOB ROXY.
pappusingh (7) ...You can't use such an abusive language on forums if u are a professional. They can even take an action on you in fact based on ur words. Here you trying to justify urself? learn to be professional.
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If that is not your focus, why ban the person? Why not just make it clear? If you ban, how will he volunteer?
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if you are fighging for a common cause, look at this. Is this good for your org?
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Immigrationvoice deletes the postings
Immigrationvoice deletes the posting too and its not only who complains about it there are many more...................... On IV, senior members boss you around.There are chances that Immigrationvoice will restrict my id or my IP address to get back to this forum, but you know what I retire from this forum and this is gonna be my last posting in immigrationvoice. I am in search of a forum in which people dont tell u what u need to do...................... ANd I think I found quite a few.Best of luck rest of the Immigrationvoice members.....................
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enduring...YOUR CONCERN IS FOR URSELF. It is just too selfish.Thats' all. If u need RD dates issues etc, y don't u ask ur attorney who filed case and get a solution or u volunteer urself on finding a solution on those issues? You can't really blame IV for that. Many people who suffered in this delayed processes knows better than you.
I don't think u even faced any troubles at all as u are EB1 and just want to get GC as fast as u can. If u are not interested be quite.No one asking u to participate and post unnecessary stuff here. If trackitt charge per post, You won't even visit site for sure.
Don't u know no org can fix/adress all issues at once? Yes, U better be off IV kind of org's. When 100's of people talkin on forum and few gets banned means, some thing wrong with u.No doubt.
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There are lots of people who have got banned for no apparent reason. Look at http://ivsucks.blogspot.com That is dictatorship. Something is fishy.
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Universal:
EB2s with old PDs may not need some of these legislations (mine is EB2 27th April 2007), but what about EB3s? They are so backlogged, unused Visa recapture and removal of per country limit shall definitely help everybody.
As far as USCIS processing is concerned, we have to put up with some of their idiosyncracies. You have to agree that their processing efficiency has improved a lot recently, though not to our expectations. When they have a deluge like they did in July'2007 (ofcourse it's their own making), they have severe logistical problems. I am not supporting USCIS, but what I am saying is you cann't get everything.
As far as I know, IV has been laisoning with Ombudsman to sort out the processing problems ( do you know about the Administrative fixes letter campaign?), but right now they are concentarting on legislative fixes.
That's my 2 cents.
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One more instance:
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Unfair expel from IV
On my personal experience. I was expeled from immigration voice last November 2007 when I was expressing my ideas and challenging the benefits of a rally. looks like folks in immigration voice are too much conservative or too attached to their old culture on how to treat intelligent women questioning their methods. On the other hand I do believe trackitt is being built for more realistic individuals more down to earth and more open to accept diversity and different ways of thinking, after all as immigrants it is all about it.
Cheers
Anna
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enduring..my post is for general not specific to u.. See this what happens...I started a thread for some noble cause. People like u divert to side ways. stop doing that. I am going to ignore u and Pappu's postings.No point. It is just baseless argument.
Listen to others what they saying.
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I am working on reducing the gas price now. Lets do flower campaign to OPEC President. Anyone interested? No donations required. Lets get together and do it.
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You know what would help an organization like IV, is to have naturalized citizens run the organization who have media presence, people who have been through all of this before and still want to continue the reform. These naturalized citizens should also be public figures rather than anonymous forum members.
i know very little about IV so I'm probably in no position to comment but speaking as a member of the silent majority that would help in terms of garnering support and credibility. I know it would appeal to me if Mr John Doe is a naturalized citizen who is the CEO/head of IV and has television appearances on panels about immigration.
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enduring...YOUR CONCERN IS FOR URSELF. It is just too selfish.Thats' all. If u need RD dates issues etc, y don't u ask ur attrney who filed case and get a solution or u volunteer urself on finding a solution on those issues? You can't really blame IV for that.
Don't u know no org can fix/adress all issyes at once? Yes, U better be off IV kind of org's. When 100's of people talkin on forum and few gets banned means, some thing wrong with u.No doubt.
You really need to wake up... what makes you think we did not ask our attorneys? Our attorneys themselves are not getting responsible answers from USCIS(atleast according to them). As for we calling USCIS, you know how rude these USCIS folks are. Worst, they are not even as knowledgeable as we are. Unfortunately people like us do not have anyone to look for except our own fate. When orgs like IV starts blowing the trumpet that they are for immigration cause, we expect them to take these kind of issues to USCIS.
By the way, I am not blaming IV and I agree that USCIS issues are not IV's fault. All I am saying is IV's priorities are misplaced. If it makes you feel any better, even if IV announces that they will make USCIS testify why they are not following the the very system/process they created, I will be an active volunteer and a donor. I will not wait for the outcome of the testimony either. You have my word. Do I need to say more my friend? |
This forum is for Immigration process. Not for reducing oil prices. You can start another forum for that, but not post those links here. You are just doing advertisement for your forums/blogs, if you do so.
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US citizens will generally not support IV because they are tired of listening to Amway style marketing of IV and ruining their birth day party or other social gathering.
Look at http://ivsucks.blogspot.com/2008/04/multiple-tactics-of-iv.html
At any social gatherings (birthday party, baby shower, house warming etc.), IV promoters try to solicit IV, join IV, donate to IV and so on. This is a social gathering and not a solicitation ground.
It has become such a nuisance that many people have either stopped inviting such IV promotors to their parties or have given strict warnings about not to discuss IV if they want to attend the event.
Therefore, in many social circles, there have become two groups: the ones with green card/citizenship and the IV promotors. Isn't this a bad social situation? Is this what you are trying to achieve?
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Posted by waitingtoolong (55) 7 minutes ago
This forum is for Immigration process. Not for reducing oil prices. You can start another forum for that, but not post those links here. You are just doing advertisement for your forums/blogs, if you do so.
waitingtoolong, you didn't understand my satire.
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I am not forcing others dude. Its upto one's option. If u don't understand, It is no wonder u don't get things easy and keep arguing baslessly.
If u read top of the thread again. U will know that we are not forcing and requesting not to criticize w/o facts. Most of them posted on this thread trying to explain. Yes, U have freedom on what u want to say. THINK FOR A WHILE rather just responding for argument purpose.
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IV's motto: Join IV or you are terrorist
Do they know that others have really didn't achieve anything and only they have achieved something by joining some organization. The concept is ridiculous. We should respect others. It is a different story if they are with our opinion or not. (This is equally true for people who are opposing IV too). Guys we know that reaction and statements from pro - IV people are very strong.
They believe in famous statement:"You can only be with us or you are terrorist."
Unfortunately, it is not applicable everywhere in life.
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I have a feeling I have to post something about Italian food.
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enduring,
IV thinks that soliticing on trackitt is allowed but anyone posting legitimate trackitt link on IV is not allowed. Only one way.
That is because IV thinks they are doing this world a favor by running an organization that is would get themselves a green card. A very noble cause indeed!! Therefore, they have license to spam freely on the internet.
On the other hand, they think that sites like trackitt are run for profit only and they are run by bloodsuckers. They are not interested in benefiting immigrants. Therefore, anyone posting any legitimate link about trackitt should be banned.
They have so incorrect way of thinking. God help them.
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I keep asking myself the question:
If IV is a non-profit organization, why do its administrators behave like dictators? Exile anyone who has different ideology and opposes one particular idea they have!
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How one can expect to importance to lower priority issues out of many? There was a big pool suffering than EB1 and EB2 etc. Obviously their they choose high priority issues even if there are veriety of issues around and every one voiceng. U just got to wait until ur issue becomes prioritized realizing ur's not that important than a large number of people suffering due to one single common major problem of 'recapturing numbers'. Admins must be strict enough to control. For example: What u do at home/work/project if many issues? you go by priority..right?
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Who's this guy?InLineLongTime? He doesn't even have a profile.
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Posted by waitingtoolong (55) 7 minutes ago
This forum is for Immigration process. Not for reducing oil prices. You can start another forum for that, but not post those links here. You are just doing advertisement for your forums/blogs, if you do so.
waitingtoolong, you didn't understand my satire.
I did understand, but you were trying to promote some blogspot in your several posts. That is why I had to say this.
Instead to doing IV bashing why don't you do something constructive that proves IV wrong. Show them how to do it by example. I agree with you that when you assign fund collections to people, they do get over-enthusiastic. They want to prove themselves by showing that they made so many people donate etc... But that is part of any campaign.
Until now I haven't seen any post ON IV that got banned because they do not agree with the core team. If I see one, then I would say that it is wrong. You definitely cannot ban somebody from Iv because they do not agree with the way things are done. |
Pappusingh doesn't have a profile either.
Guys please update your profile which would make us better understand your statements.
Thanks
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