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Topic: What does a Green Card mean to you?
Hi everybody, I would like to get some people's opinions on what a US green card really means to them? Many of us are stuck in the green card process for so many years and will be stuck for some more years. Do you guys really think it's worth spending your youthful years in this country working with the same employer in the same type of job?
For those who are stuck, what are your plans? How important is a green card? Are you planning to return to your country soon? Or are you going to wait it out, because being in US matters more to you than anything else?
Any thoughts will be welcome.
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I'm waiting to complete 10 years of working in U.S. and paying social security taxes and then I wil l go back, that will make me elligible for social security benefits later on in life. I have approx 1 year left.
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Mirror mirror on the wall.
Who's the craziest of us all?
Those who're waiting for their green cards?
And have recently hit the wall?
Or those whose careers have stalled?
And with whom INS is having a ball?
ha ha.. just made that up
I'm going crazy waiting for my GC too, like many others. My biggest fear is when my kids are 7-8 years old, then there is no going back, you're stuck in this country. So the time to abandon your GC is before your kids turn around 5.
GC is a mousetrap.
We are the mice.
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If I had known it would take 8+ years and being stuck in the same job with no major salary increase I would have probably gone home or to some other country.
When I first got on H-1 visa, it was taking 2-3 years to get the gc, and I thought at that time it was too long!
Now I am stuck, been here too long (14 years) and invested too much time to start a new life in my home country, and still not moving forward here.
I am in a rut and some days feel very depressed, like where is my life going? all my productive years will be gone soon, and any motivation and ambition is already gone
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When do you get your social security money back? Can you take it back with you on returning to India, as long as you have worked for 10 years in US?
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It is true that we are seeking GC, but it can not be the end of it, nor this can be a start. Slowly but sure we all are heading towards global citizens. Now does it really matters where you are living? Just because you were born in one country does it become a home? It is really amazing that some one draws a line on the map in pre historic days and peopel still fight over that drawing? If we think back a moment, a plastic card determines our future???!!!!!. I dont think so. It is a process in this country and as you are living in this country and want to stay further in this country we are seeking one, if H1 is given for ever, probably one would choose that rather then the GC, it would be more simple.
Comming to returing back, that is for the people who belive that being born in one country is "home". For me my home is where my family is, it really does not matter which country.
Hope every one will get GC pretty soon.
Rama
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A green card to me, means the option to choose.
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Sorry, if H-1 continued forever, I would still want a green card because a green card gives me freedom, as lostsoul pointed out.
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Initially when I came to USA, finished my graduate studies and got a good job, I have to admit that I was following the crowd.. I even was foolish to consider turning down some good promotions in the same company but in different location because of the GC scenario..
I would like to think that I have matured significantly since then..
I believe that the oft trodden path will ensure that we will be average.... not above and probably not below average either... And yes, people can compare their life in USA with the country they were born in and claim all they want that they are much better off.. This might or might not be true.. It is the perception of the decision maker that matters..
Now, over 4 years in this GC thing, I am much bolder. I have more confidence in myself.. that I can survive and do well anywhere in the world.... USA is famous for the spirit, the idea that created this country.... idealistically speaking, I have the spirit, essence of USA in me.. That unyielding optimism and the spirit to fight it out... With that in me, I believe that I can survive anywhere in the world...
I remember listening to an interview on NPR.. they were interviewing this very successfull restaurant chain owner... He was born a pauper.. and made it big.. a classic horatio alger story... They asked him when he felt succesfull.. when he had the satisfaction of making it.. was it after his first restaurant.. first 100th restaurant.. or first million / billion.. You know his answer was none of the above.. He said he was succesfull long before he built the first restaurant.. He said he was succesfull the moment he made a decision to build a restaurant chain.... the rest he said, was just a matter of time...
Friends.. it is our decision that makes us what we are... Every one of us is different and gifted in different skills.. Lets pursue them to our best and let not anything hold us back.. the limitations are in our thoughts.. not in cards, passports, places, location..
may your wishes come true.. may you have the passion, courage and conviction to do what you believe in ..
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GC means a lot for me.
I agree that GC proccessing is kind of stuck in retrogression.
But I still have hope that situation is goin to change.... some time soon.
Come on guys, America is Land of Opportunities ....
It has given a lot to many of us who landed with hope and a chance to better themselves.
Everyone blames US ,
But this all becoz situation has changed back in India and china...Lots of jobs and good pay back home
This Makes people think they wasted their time here.
But everyone should realise that NOT long back India and china did not have those kind of jobs & salaries...
India & china still heavily rely on US outsourcing.
I agree that GC has been lenghthy and tedious process... Everyone here with advanced degree & skills deserve GC faster.
Even with all this short comings US has still given a lot to all of us...
No one can deny the fact that we are benfitted in one way or other by working in USA.. Thats why we are here.
Hope GC process gets faster and more efficient soon :-)
All the best to all.
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Yes , green card means flexibility and freedom of choice and future of my grown up kids.
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krishna: you mean your kids won't have any future if they don't grow up in america?
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To me, the Green card = Freedom of choices. The day I get GC (that day will come) is the totally a new day I am unshackled. I am Employment -based . The people came here by Family-based or "easier way" would never feel that kind of freedom.
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And what will you do when you get your green card? Isn't the green card just an excuse to delay any action in your career? People who want to earn millions earn them regardless, so don't make stupid statements like these, that you will be unshackled. Believe me, you will get your green card one day, and you won't even realize it. Then you'll find something else to complain about.
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Consider this:
Half of the world's population does not have running watter (or medicine, for that matter), not to speak of electricity or guarantee of food.
The place where I came from has a new war every 3 to 5 years, and that has been going on since 2751 BC (!!!)
My kids (10,5,0) are much more likely to SURVIVE here than they are back there, even tho I might earn more and """be more succesful """
So I don't have as many friends, I miss my childhood and growing up in a much closer nit society, and my parents are getting old without experiencing the kind of relationships with my children that I would like them to have, but that's the price you have to pay in order to afford safety, freedom and standard of living. My math is done.
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Absolutely. A lot depends on which country you're from. I think the biggest debate at this point is for Indians, because India is progressing at rocket speed, and safety, wars, survival are not an issue. So Indians have to evaluate whether green card is that important. For other countries like Israel, yes, green card is far more valuable as you pointed out. If I were from Israel, I would stay in U.S. as well.
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Receiving my GC will mean much to me. In the area of employment, it will mean freedom of choice, and options. I am lucky in that my current employer treats me well and is offering me a career path. I have no intention of switching anytime soon. Things are good. Still, it is helpful, nay, vital in the longer run, to be able to choose. Jobs in IT do not last forever, no matter how good they are.
Still on the subject of employment, receiving a GC will mean I can get serious about a startup. That may not happen, but the option is then real, not a pipe dream. If it doesn't happen, it won't be "if only I had a GC". It'll be "I chose not to do that; employment is less stress".
It'll mean peace of mind and security. I won't have to worry about having to leave the US, leaving my partner and kids behind. I've put down roots, and would hate to have to uproot myself again.
In the area of civic involvement, receiving my GC means I can start on the road to dual citizenship, which will allow me to vote. "If you don't vote, you can't complain" - well I like to complain about politicos as much as the next guy, so I'd like to be able to vote to be able to complain as an insider, not an outsider.
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It used to be pride... seemed to indicate that I established myself in a respected country by working hard. Now? It means almost nothing. Simply because I have spent so many years here, I am still waiting.
Seeing those people how got their green cards by fake marriage, by illegal stay, by lottory or even by betraying their mother-land, green cards have becoming more and more like a dirty cards. Maybe dirty cards are an exagguration, but definitely nothing to be proud of any more.
Isn't that sad?!
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My husband lives in Florida we have our first child due in 2 weeks and he has a secure job in the US. I hate living apart from him, to me the actual GC means nothing but living with him in US means everything. We can;t stand to be apart and it's heartbreaking cause his family won't get to see our first Child cause I'm stuck over here in the UK
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Receiving a Green Card for me means:
1) Security of being able to reside permanently in the US and not having to go back to a third world country where things are unstable and uncertain. Giving a better place for my family to grow up in. (not all people come from a country where development is "progressing at rocket speed" - quote from funnieguy above)
2) Being able to get in and out of the US without having to re-apply for a visa stamp at the US Consulate/Embassy and having to fear prospects of visa denial and chances of getting killed by a crazy suicide bomber
3) The freedom of being able to change jobs/positions across companies in the pursuit of advancing my career and not having to be stalled and left out compared to peers who are PR/US citizens
4) Not having to queue up in the "non us citizen/PR" line at the airport and be scrutinized like an alien from outer space.
5) The first step to becoming a US Citizen which means even easier to travel to other countries
6) And also having the strongest economic/military country behind your back.
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To me as so many people above have echoed, it means FREEDOM, from the paperwork that has been the last 7 years of my life. The highs and lows of the struggle through the Labor backlog centers.
To me it is like winning a race that I have been running for a long time. I have crossed the line and made it to the winners circle I am extremely happy.
For my kids it means a life of future oppertunity for them to learn and work in a country that has many more cultures and diversity in education than my home country.
Make no mistake I am not running away from my home country, I am just trying like most to make a better life for me and my family.
May all you dreams come true one day.
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Freedom it is!!!!
I dont think that if your process is stuck your life is too.... my apologies for those but if you are stuck is because you want to or because you have not learn how the system works... as is the land of opportunity is also the land of hard work... you look out for your future and dont sit waiting for someone else to look it up for you!! no one in this country should say that is stuck! not having a GC in your pocket means nothing when you know what you want and what to expect from life!
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FYI.....
If you go back to your homeland after your GC (after working more than 10 yrs in the US -- paying Social Security taxes)
Then ...You will NOT get Social Security after 59 1/2, if you are NOT living in the US.
The only exception is US Citizen....
This I know for sure because it happend to my one of my friends Dad.
Also, there are talks that even US Citizens might not get Social Secutiry if they do not live in the US....
So be prepared to stay another six years after your GC.....
BTW I am also waiting for GC...for nine years now and my son is 10 yrs old....
Best of Luck to all of us...
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Green card is oppurtunity for me to share blessings of GOD with my family, relatives, countrymen, poeple anywhere in the world who need help in any way. If i have money, power, and stability in my life by living anywhere in the world, i will work hard to get it. Not for me only, because i owe it to others. Who did not get this oppurtunity but i did. How can i just think about myself, spend my life and go... Eveyone does best for their kids who live together and enjoy things together. What about others. Guys.. this green card is lot more then just anything for ourselves. If we are better, have money, sources and can influence to make a difference, it is our responsibility to paly role, make efforts to get it and help others who need it.
Got to get greencard... it is a must...
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I will share my story with y'all. It is strictly my story and perhaps it will resonate with some of you.
I left India in 1996 to come to the U.S. for college and beyond. Initially, like many other foreign students, I had the idealistic notion of going back soon after graduation. I remember transitting through LHR and having an old lady say that her son said the same thing and never went back. Since college, I have held amazing jobs and have gone on to do a graduate degree in Economics from the top university in the country. Each time I go back to India, I have seen it change. My little sister got accepted to the top MBA program in the U.S., but stayed in India, and after a year has a disposable income far greater than most on this board would dream of.
Everytime I came back to the U.S., I had a harder time justifying why I was here. Sure it is extremely comfortable and I am used to the American way of life. Sure, my career was going places and my employer began my GC process, and I had been getting promotions pretty much every year. However, I felt stagnated in life. I felt I was just floating without a moral compass and all I seemed to seek was stability. I had forgotten that perhaps more than stability, what I really seeked was a direction to be happy.
Going back to India has been the scariest and biggest risk I ever took. I used to wake up with nightmares of becoming some unsuccesful depressed maniac confined to his ancestral homes with no opportunity and just a visceral image of the past. I remember some of my Indian friends in the U.S. being aghast at my intentions. Why the hell would I want to go back? Why go back when the GC is right here in the pipleline? You can be a citizen and then you will have a passport of USA, bla bla bla.
But then again, what does the GC really mean? Stability? Security? Comfort? But at what expense? I had hit my limit and was tired of wasting my life away. Having been in India for the past year, I can tell you that it is difficult as shit ... especially the first 6 months. Frustrating. However, it is also immensely rewarding both spiritually and surprisingly monetarily. I have been here and I feel part of something. In America, no matter what happened, it would have been hard for me to have broken out of the status quo. In India, I am part of a country on the move ... and my disposable standard of living is far higher than I ever had in the U.S. I am part of my friends life events and am there with my parents closeby.
The GC is meant to give you ultimate freedom, security, and stability. However, the cost of it was too high for me. And the myth the GC is the only way to all this is just a myth - with an Indian passport, I have been to over 100 countries and continue getting multiple entry visas issued here in Delhi with ease (sure, sometimes its annoying ... but life is a trade off and I rather have to stand in a visa line than squander my life). I am stable with family and friends here, secure in my job and wealth, and free to do what I want to do ... vote, protest, and have my head held high that I am not some minority to be distrusted.
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There is lots of information on www.socialsecurity.gov and here is one question that gives more information ....
Question
Can noncitizens receive Social Security benefits?
Answer
In certain cases, yes.
To qualify for benefits, all noncitizens first must meet the same eligibility requirements as U.S. citizens. Additionally, a noncitizen or alien worker assigned a Social Security number (SSN) on or after January 1, 2004, must meet additional eligibility requirements. If you are subject to this provision, neither you nor your dependents can qualify for benefits based on your earnings unless you meet one of the following:
You were assigned an SSN based on your authorization to work in the United States at any time on or after January 1, 2004, or
You were admitted to the U.S. at any time as a nonimmigrant visitor for business (B-1) or as an alien crewman (D-1 or D-2).
Once an alien worker has met eligibility criteria, we must have evidence of the “lawful presence” of the beneficiary. That means that before we can pay out benefits for any given month, Social Security must have evidence that during that month the beneficiary was either:
A U.S. citizen;
A U.S. national; or
An alien lawfully present in the United States.
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Thank you for sharing your story. When I saw Swadesh, I really wanted to go back to India. Each year, I go back to India, I get sick. Even though I have a huge desire to be near my family and friends, the pollution (air, noise) kills me. I hope I find the strength you have to go back and seek ultimate happiness.
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Here is my plan & that's exactly what I am going to do...followed with little history on what I did so far!
Came to to US in 2001, started GC process right then and it took 2 years for me to know that my employer didn't even apply at all...(so 2 years gone for waste!!) decided to move to another employer...this time little twist in my GC experience, this employer took 50% of GC (3.5K) fees in advance & promised to file my GC which again he never did start my process and they manged the GC drama/show for 2 years & when stressed for my GC they promised to file sometime with in next 6 months.. (so another 2 years got wasted along with paying additional 3.5K since I left this company before GC so total 7K+4 years of valuable time wasted with these INDIAN Consulting companies) and for sure they did touch my wrong button at this time ....(LOL!!!) and hence I decided to move to another decent company where I am right now and I have no issues with this employer and they successfully filed my GC in March 2005 & of course attorney is really good and give good support when needed...
Right now I am on 8th year 8 in US and good going on H1/H4 with no GC so far..since my actual GC journey started from March 2005 (EB2)-TSC and all this GC mess (July/August 2007) which of course helped us to make up my mind and decided to go back home country in the year 2010 and felt there is no point in having any hopes on GC moving forward after looking at processing time frames and applying for Citizenship forget it...its another 5-7 years story.
If I am here in US beyond 2010 I might become a nut case by the time I get my GC and don't know what exactly I will be doing at the age of 45....so my plan is to go back, regardless what ever it takes and try to live in home town (INDIA) & spend my rest of my life with my family, parents of course FRIENDS :-) and work for small job with no tensions like what we have here (Apt rent, car payment, credit payments, health insurance, MOST IMPORTANT RENEWAL OF VISA FORMS FOR EVERY 6 months applying for extensions.. this one is for sure become a up front pain in my A**) trust me its not fun any more!!
For all the folks out there who compliant about pollution, traffic bla bla bla!! back in home country..I am pretty confident I will still survive along with lot other people who are still living there in India and that's where I grew up and led my life for 26 years before coming to US and I don't see any issue by going back!! (probably it might take 2-6 months for me to get adjusted which I will deal with it....)
I have learned lot of good things here in United States and for sure what ever I learned here wont go waste and it will help me to improve my quality, standards of my life & also raise my kids and family for sure without any issues..
Just waiting to see my I-140 approval so that I can get my 3 years extension and avoid all these extension fees (EAD/AP/H1/H4 extension fees....) etc. etc., and probably THE END of US journey...
Good luck
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Reading this discussion has been emotional for me, so I'll add on (as it's raining here and friday PM..).
GC means somehow completing a dream my mom had for my family.
Getting sponsored by her sister (a US citizen who met a GI in early 70's) in 1991, my parents wanted to move to US to retire comfortably and provide a good life for my brother and I. Realizing the process would be long (about 13 years to be exact), my mom made a hard decision to send us here alone. I was 15, my brother 13, using F visas thru high school, college, grad school for my brother. Waiting for family based to be approved, we turned 21, unmarried so we were dropped from my mom's application when her GC application was approved. Around 1998, mom was diagosed with cancer, postponed and rescheduled her GC interview for years b/c she was afraid they wouldn't approve her physical. She eventually lost her fight with cancer 2.5 years ago. With that, my dad's application (as a spouse to the one getting sponsored) was cancelled. So he doesn't want to move here anymore but comes visits once in a while. As for us in the mean time, my brother met a nice girl in grad school, a US citizen, got married so got his GC pretty quick. I got a job after college, going thru 9 years of H1B-LC-GC process, now waiting!! for my I-140/485 to get approved.
I have thought about leaving and going back home numerous times, especially when my mom was sick. I do regret not being there to spend more time with her. Now I'm just hanging on b/c we've been thru so much to even get to this point!! Some days though, I think I'll just throw in the towel, move to Australia, get a job doing something much more fun (don't know what that is yet..)
I agree I've felt that I'm stuck at my job over the whole process. However, I can't complain about how my company has been supportive. I just would like to be able to be flexible in career changes. I have american friends who change jobs often, I do feel pretty jealous mostly.
BTW, someone mentioned that family based people don't appreciate this process and freedom; I have to tell you they do appreciate it. It is not an easy process for them either..
I have no idea what I'll do with myself after I get the GC. Whenever that may be...I may quit this "skilled professional" job and become a dog walker or something???
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What does a GC mean to you? – Trackitt, Is it a opinion collection based on which you want to make a decision? j/k. I am sure you have got your GC by now.
Some place I mentioned in this waiting lounge, I am here purely for Money. If I get a GC, I don’t have to look for alternatives to make more money as opposed to staying in a job or working for some one life long. To me it is about extreme self sufficiency on top of my selfishness. It has always been a struggle to me with out GC even with good jobs. I may be materialistic but I sometimes moved by Rockefeller’s story.
I grew up in rural southern Indian village where we hardly had tables to sit in the class room or some one explaining me what English was all about. I could stay in extreme social, religious, economic, and environmental conditions anywhere in the world, but I will be scared to live in a country where political conditions are dire.
Wasting youth – many of us waste our youth for GC, but I am not sure I would have done any better if I had stayed in India. I would have needed more luck in India to survive than what I need to get a GC. One needs to be more street smart in countries like India than book smart. So all book smarts join the brain drain and I am a part of it. I am too naïve to make big bucks in India where competition is more , corruption is more , beaurocracy is more , population is more , pollution is more. But all these don’t really make me stay away from India, the only thing makes me stay away is the power to make money in USA than in India. I rather have a genuine competition with my ROW brothers / sisters in USA with my book smartness than competing with street smart bothers and sisters in India who could easily kick me out in a completion.
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My answer is simple, to give me options where to live the rest of my life. I would like to become a citizen of the world where I can go where I wish to and do what I wish to but it is not possible due to some rules made by man.
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Green Card for me means the ultimate in stability. I will be able to plan for the future more than just 1 or 2 years ahead, I can finally by a house, start a business, take some career chances. It also means that I will belong and become part of the place I have lived for so long and have come to love.
On the other had what does NOT getting a GC mean? I have so much in life to be grateful for, my family, my health, the roof over my head the fact that I know where my next meal will come from, the fact that I was lucky enough in life to be able to get an education and countless other blessings. So not getting a GC is a small bump in the road but by no means the END of the road! It just means that I have to search for happiness somewhere else.
Wish all of you the best of luck in your GC journeys.
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Absolute freedom :) Before my approval and recent trip,I was not able to visit my country for 20 long miserable years .
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The Green Card for my wife and my family means a lot. While I have the green card, my kids are born in USA, my wife is still strugling to keep her F-1 student status in order to stay in USA with us. I hope that she can get her green card and her life can start as a normal person who is not forced to go to school and take pointless classes and colleges just in order to stay with her husband and kids. The school payments make our life 10 times harder than it needs to be. I have to work 2 jobs in order to support the family and the school payments. She is a great student but because we can't afford large payments for the school she had to pick schools based on which on is the cheapest and of course the worst. This waiting time is a waste of our life and money.
While other non-immigrat visas H1B, F-1 etc get to have their families stay with them (without any additional expenses, except living expenses) while in the states, we the green card holders have to wait long time to be able to have our spouses stay with us.
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Trackitt
I am at a juncture which I am asking myself those questions. kiragoescanada's story resonates with me. I am not sure all the stress and distress of the entire GC process is worth it. I have been in this country for 16 years and no GC. Have I wasted my years ? Not all of it. Have I wasted some yes. I fear this thing called GC has changed me more than anything else. I feel very stagnated in life and have along some points, established high walls and become highly risk averse, which I never was. Maybe it was a result of making all major life decisions based on GC or not GC.
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You people should stop all these hypocritical comments. If you genuinely know that the GC doesn't mean a lot to you and your family...for heaven's sake, you know the closest airport..GO HOME. Go back to India & China...and stop whining. Don't give me all that 'stuck' bulls**h. There're no chains on your leg..you can walk..so GO HOME. If you don't have money for plane tickets...don't worry, just go surrendr yourselves to INS and they will gladly fly you back home...First class for that matter.
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Leaf
you are such a bitter person, are you crazy ?
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Penang....i'm sorry if my comment offended you. I didn't mean any harm. I know you've been here 16 years and you've seen it all. It's well. My comments were in no way directed to you. I'm sorry once again.
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Hi,
I applied for my GC - I140 (EB1B) in Apr 2008. It's been 4 months and already I am desperate. To me GC means not going to the US consulate anymore to get visa stamped. I hate the long lines and hours of standing in the embassy! GC will also give me freedom to make long term plans. GC will help me stay in the US and not go back to India. Right now, (I am 34 years old) if I go back to India, I won't get any jobs for my experience! GC means job security and I can take care of my family comfortably! Going back to India is a NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I know How difficult and how painful process is all this GC process because need to stay in the same position and employers taking advantage of the situation.
Mann I was so lucky and GOD was always on my side, and my experiences was a great one, first of all I got this very great desi consulting company in VA, whose boss (President) keeps his word, whenever he said something he meant it. Never had trouble with salary every 6 months gave increases in salary with excellent health and dental coverage (coverage 100 percent both in US and abroad for whole family, a Global plan). Salary would come right on time to my checking account every month.
And by GOD'S grace in 3 years from the day I graduated from school I got my GC( EB2 India) with no hassle. So for me frankly speaking GC was worth and now this company is helping me out to start one of my own.
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It was interesting to read the different perspectives people have about their GC experiences. I do not disagree that life in India for a certain section of people is fantastic, much much better than one can even imagine in this country. But, for most people it is still the same daily drudgery made worse with pollution, politics etc. etc. What I wanted for myself and my family was a pollution free and hassle free living. I have been fortunate enough to have been employed by the same employer since 2000 (when I came here)- a great university with a huge International student body where me and my family members are honored and held in esteem. I also held very prestigious positions in India, may be better than what I have had here, but even then, when I think of the opportunities in sports, education and research that my kids are getting here, I cannot go back. Making enormous amounts of money was never my dream. My dream has always been of true freedom which I think only the US can offer.
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I agree with you. I would like to add that back in India the competition for admission into good schools or colleges, or jobs is very stiff due to the ever increasing population. In addition, the present-day kids of middle class are extremely good at studies. For instance, 80% marks in tenth standard is nothing significant because a great number of students achieve a grade above this level. Even the ones who get high grades struggle to get admission into good colleges and find it difficult to get decent jobs. What I mean to say is that competition in India has become very intense and tough. On the other hand, in the U.S, if a kid puts the same effort of getting high grades (the same effort that you put in India), he would get lots of opportunities here!
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leaf, you are a ****ing idiot and racist. Why do India and China have anything to do with the discussion? Is it OK if I say to you: GO HOME, go back to Germany ... and stop acting like a Nazi in the land of freedom? If hope you feel offended, because that 's my feeling about your idiotic post.
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hi,
Very well said. Poetry speaks much more effectively. Our youthful, energetic and enthusiastic years slip by waiting for the so called "permanent status" but in reality there is nothing permanent.
It was once such a hectic transitioning experience when we came to US and so it will be when we go back (If we do).
The so called CAREER has become a myth and fakedom.
but, could you kindly explain why after 7-8 years of children's age there is no going back?
Thanks
H1b-workedup!
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