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Topic: Canada doesn't recognize foreign degrees
> Now I am replying to above post by "becominGandalf"
That were the questions by enlightened (me)! :-)
But thanks for the reply. I was actually looking for these type of answers.
>(3) Does US experience replace the *Canadian Experience*? Yes... if you have 5 yrs of experience in lets say Google Cisco >or other good recognized company in USA.. then yes it counts...
I guess you wouldn't leave the US if you were in those kind of companies. ;) Because you would always have more opportunities here. Unless you're tired of the pressure or that you have some other priorities in life.
>(4) Is working in US better overall than working in Canada for MS and PhDs? (non-regulated professions)
>YES... YES....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Temperature, Pressure, Salary, more people to get friends with.....
Salary: Hmm questionable also. People will always argue that you get paid more in the US. And besides if yo go to Canada as a NEW immigrant, you might not get that desired salary range. |
Topic: Canada doesn't recognize foreign degrees
becominGandalf wrote:
> *snip*
> Obviously those are the 2 coutires casuing big hurdle to current lame immigration process
I believe it's a combination of being more selective and probably as you say a lame immigration system. But definitely over the years, they have become more selective. As far as scientists are concerned, they have been tougher.
>US is a country formed by immigrants and bouded salvary... US can not afford to stop immigration whether anyone would >agree or not. A country , where people like to have dogs and cats than their own kids , can never have proper system unless >they allow immigrants to work for them. Think of it when you turn 80 in your life and US would still be importing people.
I agree with you. I never said you weren't right on this.
>you are forgetting facts ..1. Check how much importance is given to immigration in this election , out of which mostly illegal >immigration.. This is all vote bank... obama's summary above is funny becasue his is politically correct statement ..he wants >vote bank of both parties...
Yes he wants both parties. But that's the mindset of ALL politicians. They have to be politically correct.
>*snip
>i dont see any point to discuss these with a rookie like you who talks about things with out any facts / stats to base them on. >It is not how you feel or i fee matter ... but the facts speak.
I think you got me wrong. We're talking about the same thing. Really.:)
>I am a guy who is looking for a oppurtunity which is always wide open in any country as long as i have skills.. immigration to >western countries never stop as long as people have less brain but need astronomial amts to do simple stuff... i love >stupids:)
Hahaha. Western countries are not very efficient, I agree.
>(btw GC allocation is called visa number allocation , dont think that anyone was referrin to H1B visa allocation when talking >about immigration)
I was referring to your sentence
If you now read the postings carefully, you'll realize that we don't have such different views about immigration. I do agree with most of the things you said. Some of the things depends of course on perspective and personal experiences.
But i never said you were totally wrong. :) But I can see that you've been through a lot here.
That's set:
But my first initial posting was about http://www.notcanada.com
It was kind of scary. I was just asking opinions, feedback or real-life testimonies.
(1) Is it as bad as it sounds or is it overblown?
(2) What kind of foreign degrees are recognized in Canada? Europe, US and selective Asian countries?
(3) Does US experience replace the *Canadian Experience*?
(4) Is working in US better overall than working in Canada for MS and PhDs? (non-regulated professions) |
Topic: Canada doesn't recognize foreign degrees
becominGandalf wrote:
>You are as naive as Obama .. US politics is not just promises
I'm flattered that you say I'm as naive as him. Because I consider that he's truly a smart man. :) He's probably smarter than all these politicians and will definitely bring a change to the country if elected. Why according to you did he get more money than Clinton in the Cambridge Area of Massachusetts? This is home to the Harvard and MIT professors and a range of intellectuals. Because he's smart!
US politics has been promises until now.
>..George Bush won purely based on change and projecting himslef as a change agent .. Obama is doing the same now...
George Bush is a *special case*. He committed so much mistakes and is driving this country in bankruptcy. He cannot be compared to Obama.
> I agree with Hillary clinton in many apsects ... Obama doesnt apprear even as cunning as JFK... loving country / people are > not going to bring the change in a senate full of hardcore white americans.. If people elect obama , that would put this >country in more danger only...
These are YOUR political views. I respect your views, but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Politics is subjective.
>never the less , his views of immigration are silly as yours... who said the bridge is closing down ? do you know how many >lobbys are working on increasing H1B quota.. do you know why Microsoft is moving its openrations to Canada ? Do you why >many enteraining companies are moving IT to Mexico ?? The bridge is increasing , i think you need to see the reports .... >check the latest employement report... hmmmm .. you are still a rookie man... open up and look around..
What you term as "silly" is reality. Any country will strive to protect their citizens first, then will deal with immigrants. Understand that the priority of the politicians and the country are not the immigrants. Immigrants are the priority of companies alone.
Note that H1-B is a TEMPORARY work visa. It's not meant in principle for permanent immigration. So you're pretty much confused yourself. I hope you realize that not all of those H-1B holders will become PRs.
And if you look at the green card process itself, it has become very slow and selective. In the old days, everybody could get it easily and in less than a year. What about now? So I feel that it's narrow, isn't it? Canada has a wide open immigration policy. But in the future, when they start filling up their job market, they will also be more selective and narrow it down. This is the natural law of immigration.
I like it when somebody starts cursing me. It means that they lack arguments to argue. :-) I feel that you're pretty much frustrated about something and that you're spewing everything out in this thread. |
Topic: Canada doesn't recognize foreign degrees
becominGandalf wrote:
> As you have generalized USA with your limited experience , i did Europe.... No country in the world is good to immigrants , >let alone Canada.. but when you want to compare Canada to USA to France to India etc , they are all the same in one way or >the other.
Some countries are good to a certain *category of immigrants* than others.
> - You havent figured out anything ..lol..
This statement is subjective. :-)
> Check out Obama's recent views on legal immigration - a very funny one.
> http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=16465
The guy loves his country and people! The reason why we CAN immigrate is because Americans lack a certain set of skills. If ever this gap is filled, the US will close the door to immigrants. The door is already narrow now as you are fully aware of.
This is the natural way of things. Canada will also close it's door once their quota has been reached. |
Topic: Canada doesn't recognize foreign degrees
becominGandalf wrote:
> I have no intention to go to Europe , but i have indian freinds in Germany and France and they are very happy with their >positions as VPs of different companies ... so go figure. you need to take statistcs 101 before coming to conclusios about >population from samples..
I am a European, I've got it all figured out. I believe you're the one who should take the course. What you just mentioned above are some isolated cases (sample). The real situation is what I described earlier. If one of my French friends tell me that he's happy in India, then I cannot simply generalize the whole Indian system based on his opinions if I've lived or worked there. Doesn't that make sense?
>immigration not based on race is all political stunt .. ofcourse i am getting benifited for sure , but what if senate pass a bill >saying that none of the immigrants have right to vote after becoming citizens.. do u still think we get GCs then ...lol..
>east and west coasts are a bit better in USA for sure.. i am in Los angeles for long time... i had mixed experiences , but over >all i am happy with what i am now today... cuz i am very practical as an immigrant..
I have no clue where you wanted to go with this paragraph. But now both you and I have deviated from the original questions. :) |
Topic: Canada doesn't recognize foreign degrees
becominGandalf wrote:
> Yes , you could work in any country but by following a lot of beaucratic precedures ( i would be surprised if you had not have >any such in USA by being an idnaidn citizen -:)
I wouldn't know that part. I'm French!;) I'm a new assistant professor and working in a University in California.
To be frank w/ you, I've met Indians who were directors of company in California and also met those who were Deans of universities and held major positions.
While in France, I've never met a single Indian or person outside the European Union for that matter who held a key position in a company. As a French, I do not like the whole politico-bureaucratic system in France and this is the reason why I'm out of France.
> Tell me how many white folks you manage if at all you do ? Or you are just the lowest level in the ladder ...
Not many. I manage graduate students and most of them are non-Americans. An assistant professor is at the lowest ladder of the professor arena! But eventually you climb. ;) And in the USA, anybody regardless of country of origin, race, religion CAN CLIMB. Go to France and let me know how many non-French climb the social ladder. You might be shocked.
> i have been living in US for the past 9 years .... buying a car or a house , going to a movie , enjoying an office potluck does > make equal footage... Go to midwest or any upscale LA or NY areas.. u will know how u will be treated....
Go to Europe and let me know if you can even RENT a house easily. They'll look at you from toe to head before deciding whether they would rent you the apartment.
Have you seen a European CV? You have to put all the irrelevant details (Age, Marital status, country of origin, etc..) in there and the employers would judge you based on the first part of the CV alone.
You should consider yourself lucky to live and work in North America. And by the way if you weren't in equal footing, why would you apply for a green card eh?
>I am sure Canada is no different as long as the evil white man is there
Stereotyping is evil! |
Topic: processing time
As I mentioned previously, if you're applying under the general Federal application, then it depends solely on YOUR CURRENT LOCATION in the world.
It's a different issue if you apply under the Provincial Nominee Program (PNP). Meaning that you select your province and request a certificate of provincial nomination from the chosen province.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/provincial/apply-how.asp
The tricky part now is to obtain the actual certificate of provincial nomination! You'll figure it out once you start reading the bove link. :)
Of course it would take a shorter time where there are not so many immigrants. So overall yes it might be shorter if you pursue this route. |
Topic: ielts exam
CIC has become very stringent in the recent years and if you're not a native English speaker you are encouraged to take the exam. By native speaker they mean you were born in a *true* Anglo-Saxon country (Canada, USA, UK, Australia), you grew up there, you studied and worked there.
Over the last few years, some folks have pulled off so many stunts/craps to bypass the IELTS exam and they found out that a lot of these guys eventually had difficulties in communicating in English when they arrived in Canada. And now there are so many formulas that you can find in immigration books to get exempted from the IELTS that have become clichés to the immigration officers. They are simply tired of people who claim proficiency and who aren't that proficient, so now they'll request it for 90% over cases. Thus it's suggested that you take it if you don't want your application to be delayed. The test ain't that tough and besides, the test results will be an indication of your REAL strength in English.
The only way to obtain a waiver nowadays is to show them some English articles that you have written in INTERNATIONAL and RECOGNIZED JOURNALS/PUBLICATIONS, where you're the SOLE author. This would be a GENUINE proof. Multiple authors doesn't count. Your school newspaper and some other bullshit papers do not qualify.
Only the principle applicant needs the language proof. |
Topic: Canada doesn't recognize foreign degrees
Your first paragraph makes sense.
As for your second paragraph, I believe that any nationality can work anywhere in the world. :) You don't have to be a Canadian to work in the 65 countries that you mentioned. For instance Indians now are practically working everywhere in the world. And are probably working in those 65 countries.
*In principle* countries will evaluate your credentials above all and not your nationality. Unless you're dealing with countries that have specific partnerships/alliances. E.g. the European Union, NAFTA, Asean members, etc..
For instance if you go to any country in Europe, they will prefer their citizens first, members of the European union in second place and then the OTHERS. So even Canadians couldn't possibly compete with the European union members.
Canadian citizenship would help when it comes to visa issues when visiting the first world countries.
Medical and Law degrees are in general tricky. All these countries want to make sure that you won't be killing their people or messing up their legal system.
I would want to know whether foreigners with advanced degrees in non-regulated professions can make it to the top in Canada? That's the real question. If your profession is regulated (e.g. law, engineering, medical doctors, etc...), then you're doomed. You have to start at the lower level and slowly move up the ladder.
But what about other degree holders (natural science, computer science, business, arts, etc..), can they really flourish in the Canadian job market? Do they face discrimination.
I'm currently working in the US and I can tell you that we're in equal footing with the locals. |
Topic: Certificates in foreign language
Original notarized and translated copy. |
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