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December 2008 are coming

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Posted by HERCULES (58)   20 May 2009
Approvals, Audits, Denials and Long Waits are coming soon for December 2008 cases.
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Posted by shan24 (14) 20 May 2009
to HERCULES:

Is that your prediction?
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   20 May 2009
Yes, it is my prediction but also the result of my simple analysis based on the trend already observed...
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Posted by shans (25) 20 May 2009
to HERCULES:

Please share your analysis ...
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   20 May 2009
to shans:

I would say so too. Dec 2008 will be any time now. I would actually say it's a little past due
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Posted by gc4tiger (131)   20 May 2009
to Rizi39:

I would say so based on last 3 months of data, but its not true. You need to wait for another 2-3 weeks for December 2008 cases.
Remember DOLs' press release, they said that, they got 20,000 PERM applications in last quarter of 2008. You need to consider that data for your analysis. If you consider that number, in practicality, it might be little longer than expected. Also memorial day is coming next, Hang in there guys it will come for sure but little late.

All the best guys.
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Posted by srisaikrupa (13) 21 May 2009
Wise Guess, how ever i believe the processing speed has slowed down a bit, so guess Dec Approvals will be here soon......
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Posted by jaypaul (14) 21 May 2009
to srisaikrupa:

I can't wait for Dec'08 cases to start...I'm checking Trackitt every couple hours now...Update your cases as soon as you got the call from the lawyer and celebrate after please (if it's approved). Good luck everyone ! :o)
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   21 May 2009
Is coming soon, hopefully next week. I believe is time for the DOL to speed things up and to show some efficiency in this matter...
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Posted by ^^RACIST^^ (60) 21 May 2009
to HERCULES:

Efficiency ... LOL?

How about showing some Efficiency for cases that are pending for more than 600 days ?
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Posted by doknek (95)   21 May 2009
to ^^RACIST^^:

I thought June 2009 are coming.
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   22 May 2009
I never said they were working efficiently, I said that if they want to work efficiently they will move on to Dec 2008 cases. The point here is that we all know they have not even finished completely with the previous months cases before moving on. So with all the tension that some people are experiencing right now, and I do understand; it will not be rare to see that the DOL start working on cases from Dec 2008.
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Posted by Sunsari (22) 24 May 2009
to HERCULES:

How about the September 2008 cases? Are the DOL buggers ever gonna go thru all of those or they just do the random and leave others? These people should be let go first from their job. Lazy A$$ Ba$tard$!
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   25 May 2009
Someday they will finish with all cases. So far I think they are delaying cases because they do not have enough workers or they have a pre-established numbers of cases available to approve....
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Posted by jaypaul (14) 26 May 2009
to HERCULES:

They did a great job on Sep'08 (+70% cases reviewed), Oct'08 (+65% cases reviewed) and Nov2008 (+55% cases reviwed)...but Dec has not started yet on Trackitt -- The previous trend HERE showed that when DoL reachs 40% they start the next month...I'm afraid DoL will start slowing down again.
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   26 May 2009
No sir, lets be positive about it. They will try to proccess December 2008 cases soon.
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Posted by ^^RACIST^^ (60) 26 May 2009
to HERCULES:

Who cares? If they do or not? I wish all of them DIE before they could process now.
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   26 May 2009
Try to control your emotions sir. Nobody has to die or wish for it, we just have to wait patiently...
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Posted by jaypaul (14) 29 May 2009
to HERCULES:

I have a friend with priority date as 12/3/2008 and his case was certified yesterday---- he doesn't want to add it on trackitt for other reasons though. Well, now it's really coming soon. Good luck all !
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Posted by srisaikrupa (13) 29 May 2009
to jaypaul:

Are you sure?
There are'nt any approvals on trackitt yesterday and today!
which made me feel that things have gone back to what it was a couple of months ago.
hopefully your words come true.
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Posted by shan24 (14) 29 May 2009
to srisaikrupa:

I talked to my attorney. He said that It may still be another 2-3 months before we see any movement
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   29 May 2009

I talked to my attorney. He said that It may still be another 2-3 months before we see any movement

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Can you further explain what are you trying to say ? 2-3 months before we see any movement, does this mean DOL will not be processing Dec cases untill next 2-3 months ?

What I saw from the tracker is there are more audit cases getting approved and I think they are focusing more or audit cases but it does not mean they will not process Dec cases untill every thing is cleared.
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   29 May 2009

I have a friend with priority date as 12/3/2008 and his case was certified yesterday---- he doesn't want to add it on trackitt for other reasons though. Well, now it's really coming soon. Good luck all !

to jaypaul:



Guys please be cautions when you are putting information like this as i can raise expectation for so many people waiting for their PERM getting approved with Dec 2008 PD.

I have seen to members saying there friend’s cases got approved with PD of 12/2/2008 and 12/3/2008.

I request you to please re-verify with your friends, as this is not a joke for many of us.

Please post once again once you verify and convence those people to add their cases to trackitt as it would be helpful for a lot of people.
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Posted by kalsi77 (7) 29 May 2009
to Rizi39:

Well said Rizi. Instead of stories and friend's status lets just discuss own cases to avoid getting heart attacks so early in life..... cheers!!!!!
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   29 May 2009
Well I am happy to read that someone from December already got aproved ...
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   29 May 2009
to HERCULES:

I highly doubt it ! No offence
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   29 May 2009
So, why would someone post that a friend got approved with PD Decemcer 2009 already and it is not true???
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Posted by kalsi77 (7) 29 May 2009
to HERCULES:

To avoid building a killing anticipation among the rest, restless souls. Besides if your friend got it and doesn't want to disclose it on trakitt there cud be reason for that. Instead of getting into soap opera discussion of , "who said what, why " lets just put forward our own cases as they unfold. End of story.
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   29 May 2009

To avoid building a killing anticipation among the rest, restless souls. Besides if your friend got it and doesn't want to disclose it on trakitt there cud be reason for that. Instead of getting into soap opera discussion of , "who said what, why " lets just put forward our own cases as they unfold. End of story.

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I am with you 100%. It's just so funny why it;s always a friend
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Posted by Ahmed (56)   29 May 2009
to Rizi39:

Good point, but my question is if DOL has been really following cases by month. If they are then it makes sense, If not then the last case I have seen approved on trackit is from 11/29 which is 2 days away from December. Anyone can predict that December will be starting soon just matter of few days.
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Posted by shan24 (14) 01 Jun 2009
to Rizi39:

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Can you further explain what are you trying to say ? 2-3 months before we see any movement, does this mean DOL will not be processing Dec cases untill next 2-3 months ?

What I saw from the tracker is there are more audit cases getting approved and I think they are focusing more or audit cases but it does not mean they will not process Dec cases untill every thing is cleared.
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Yah, he was talking about Dec 2008 cases.
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   01 Jun 2009
to shan24:

And where did he get this info from ?
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Posted by jaypaul (14) 01 Jun 2009
to Rizi39:

Do you know the difference of sample and population? Trackitt represents less than 1% of the DOL Perm cases -- yep, you can do the math based on the cases DOL reports on their website and the cases added here (quarter by quarter if you want). Do you know where are the other 99% of the cases....I don't.

I have at least 17 coworkers in my company that have applied for PERM and the only case added to Trackitt is mine. BTW, 30% of them are being audited (almost all filled in Nov/08).

I'm trying to raise nobody's expectation, I'm just communicating the one fact I know. All in all, I agree let's discuss our cases here and nothing else.
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Posted by tacotac (38)   01 Jun 2009
to jaypaul:

> Trackitt represents less than 1% of the DOL Perm cases
I remember doing the calculation 1-2 months back, and finding a larger number (2.5% which is quite impressive). I had used the same strategy, that is the number of processed cases on Trackitt (approved/audited/denied) over the number of cases processes as announced by DOL.

> 30% of them are being
Trackitt audit rate seems a little lower these days. Does your company use a reputable law firm, or are you on your own? I understand that if one pays out of his pocket, she wants to save costs. It does not make sense to me that an employee would have to pay for the fees, since the employer certifies he could not hire any one else (it even makes even less sense if one is seating on the bench but I digress)

Some observations many may have also made:
1) DOL slowed down the past few weeks. Maybe because of the review of the contractor work as DOL had warned back in January
2) No current December 08 case reported on trackitt (except a friend or two). How would a single case approval indicate anything about someone else's case (one could argue that because one case was approved, there is more chance that the following ones will be audited, so keep cool)
3) A few audit approvals the past few days.
4) Despite the recent slowdown, over 175 cases were approved/rejected in May. Not bad.
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   02 Jun 2009
to tacotac:

Seems Like DOL is processing old cases from July 2008 till Oct 2008 at a much faster speed along with Nov 2008 cases.
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Posted by Gujar (7) 02 Jun 2009
to Rizi39:

Fast and DOL don't go together.
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   03 Jun 2009
to Rizi39:

I agree with you Rizi...
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   03 Jun 2009
to HERCULES:

Comparision between % approved vs % processed (denied, approved, audit)


May-09 0% 0%
Apr-09 0% 0%
Mar-09 0% 0%
Feb-09 0% 0%
Jan-09 0% 0%
Dec-08 0% 0%
Nov-08 60% 43%
Oct-08 68% 55%
Sep-08 75% 63%
Aug-08 66% 55%
Jul-08 74% 55%
Jun-08 91% 65%
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   04 Jun 2009
to Rizi39:

To correct that. The first figure is the % processed and the second one is % approved.
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Posted by MSCIS (5) 04 Jun 2009
I am so unlucky man. My first LC filed september, 2007, which was audited. While I was waiting, I moved to a new company. But, my h1-b transfer is pending for 15months because of name check. After I noticed that I was stuck with FBI name check, I applied for LC again. What I was thinking is that I can bypass h1b namecheck applying for Work permit once I got the LC approved. But, my LC, filed Dec 10, 2008, is still pending, too. why does DOL come back to slow mode? On september 30, my driver license will be expired and I will not be able to renew it if my h1b is pending, and LC get audited again. Why is my life so gloomy? I am getting mad. Please, help me with your kind words.
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   04 Jun 2009
to MSCIS:

It's just a matter of time my friend, you are in excellent shape as I belive your PERM is going to get approved very soon and with EB2 ROW being current I am seeing you having your GC by the end of this year. mark my words
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Posted by MSCIS (5) 04 Jun 2009
to Rizi39:

Thank you so much, man. Your kindness made me cry, and get a hope again.
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   05 Jun 2009
There have not been a real move for Dec 2008 cases, because I see a lot of work in cases that have been audited in 2007 or cases from previous months that had not been resolved yet. Just be patient ...
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   05 Jun 2009

There have not been a real move for Dec 2008 cases, because I see a lot of work in cases that have been audited in 2007 or cases from previous months that had not been resolved yet. Just be patient ...

to HERCULES:



Yes you are right. But just wondering for how long they will keep clearing backlog, I hope they are going to restart with new cases soon. Yes I know DOL is unpredictable
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Posted by HERCULES (58)   05 Jun 2009
I have been trying to find a case in any website approved from December 2008 and I have not found a single one .... You are right it is very unpredictable to have a frametime at this moment ... Also, DOL has not published any information or stats about the 2nd quarter of the 2009 fiscal year as they did with the 1st quarter. In fact, they removed the 1st quarter report that they published from the website about a month ago and they did not published the 2nd quarter...
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   05 Jun 2009
to HERCULES:

There are a total of 1344 cases pending as of now

Out of these 1344 cases 578 cases have recived audit

Which makes 766 cases pending which are untouched.

Out of those 766 untouched cases 363 are filed before Dec 2008.

looking at those 363 cases, about 75 cases have not been updates for last 3 months.

I am assuming atleast 50-60 of those cases that are not updates for more than 3 moths are already approved.

Which makes a total of amout 300 -325 cases pending that have PD before Dec 2008 and haven't recived any decision or audit.

With the current pace of DOL, I am assuming DOL will take another 6-8 weeks to clear all backlog.

At the same time I don't think DOL will wait to clear all backlog before moving forward with Dec 2008 and later cases.

So, if DOL is not planning to slow down once again like they were 3-4 month ago, we should start seeing Dec 2008 approvals by late June latest.

At the same time, we know the PERM filing rate have significantly dropped and we have 403 cases pending with PD Dec 2008 or later which is going to grow but not too much, I belive, very soon (Next 2-3 Months) we will see PERM getting approved in 60-90 days.
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Posted by srisaikrupa (13) 05 Jun 2009
to Rizi39:

Nice work Rizi with your analysis,
I agree with you in almost 90% of the analysis how ever as you know DOL takes pride in non-predictability you never know whats next.

cheers :-)
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Posted by srisaikrupa (13) 05 Jun 2009
to srisaikrupa:

Also the fact that we are talking about only cases that are logged in Trackitt, makes the analysis little speculative.
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Posted by Rizi39 (280)   05 Jun 2009
to srisaikrupa:

Well I agree with you 100% and not 90% but thats the best we could do with the data available to us. Just dont want people to loose hope
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Posted by srisaikrupa (13) 05 Jun 2009
to Rizi39:

Nice of you, in keeping the spirits high.
have agood week end.
cheers:-)
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