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Posted by TexDex (844) 14 Feb 2018#51
The truth hurts sometimes ! Criticizing stuff that needs to fixed isn't being unpatriotic. Sorry but I can't go back to that country at least not in the shambles it is right now. A lot of good independence has done to India. Wish we were still a real commonwealth country.
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Posted by vishal1981 (129) 14 Feb 2018#52
I am pretty jaded too. I wish there was a meetup group where I could go and meet folks like you and speak my mind on how exhausted I feel with this endless wait.
Are you guys interested in a startup? I was thinking we could bounce around some ideas and may be go back to India and realize it? I too like most of you wouldn't like to go back. Again, I don't mean to insult India or anything but I know that I cannot live there. But if there is an extraordinary startup idea that has potential I am ready to take the plunge.
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Posted by TexDex (844) 14 Feb 2018#53
Great idea Vishal, I am down!
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Posted by wanderer234 (45) 14 Feb 2018#54

I really feel anger and sadness when someone degrades India in public. I have not come across that sort of complaining ( at least in public) from any other country's citizen however bad the situations are bad back in their home. I guess thats the core of the problem why India still labeled as developing country even after 70 years of Independence. IMO that is the same reason why Independence was delayed in the first place. I am not trying insult anyone. But someone needs stand up and speak about core of the problem. I am just being that one.



to chandran1979:



so if no one ever criticized India, then it would be developed? lol @ logic

India is a poor country. In terms of GDP per capita it is below 100+ nations. At present rate of GDP per capita increase, it will be 50+ years before India (barely) becomes 'developed'. Even then it will be 'developed' like some East European country. Big assumption is that it doesn't fall into the middle income trap like South American countries and stay forever developing.

In addition to being poor, India has pretty bad hygiene standards and pollution, even worse than comparable African nations. Big cities are full of slums, endless traffic (please dont mention LA here, Indian traffic is a different level of inhumane) and garbage. Yet 2bhk apartment by reputed builder in semi decent area costs 2 crores, lol!

Just because by random chance I was born there, doesnt mean I will be blind to objective truths. If I was born in Somalia and still had a rational brain, I would admit that Somalia is a failed state. India is not a failed state, but its pretty crappy overall.
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Posted by chandran1979 (1508) 14 Feb 2018#55
I am down too.
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Posted by TexDex (844) 14 Feb 2018#56
You guys want to meet up for beer in NYC or Dallas soon?
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Posted by chandran1979 (1508) 14 Feb 2018#57
to wanderer234:

I have one Q, what have we done as educated and forward thinking bunch. Though I think about it always, Nowadays I ask this question to myself very often. Is criticizing the only job for citizens? What have we done to make India a developed country. I am not questioning anyone's patriotism. Up until I was 23 I enjoyed my education, natural resources, petrol, gas, public transportation which have been provided by India(ns). Either through taxes or debts that is being piled up on every single Indian citizen, we all Indians lived in our neighbor's money.

I personally want to give something back. I am not referring social work or march on the streets. May be it is through a innovative start up which could be inventing a way/machines for neo farming or create a generic medicine or manufacture cheaper gears/machines for cleaning roads or recycled roads or cheaper paste, shaving needs, healthy foods, healthy cold beverages at cheaper price etc. etc. Before there were many innovative folks in India who were not recognized and fighting the system all alone. I feel at least now that kind of env is changing in India. I see roads for villages use recycled plastic, clean highways, organic foods nowadays. So, my feeling it is the right time to do something.
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Posted by chandran1979 (1508) 14 Feb 2018#58
to TexDex:

NYC.
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Posted by vishal1981 (129) 14 Feb 2018#59
to TexDex:

Email me here vishal128901 at gmail. We can take it from there?
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Posted by TexDex (844) 14 Feb 2018#60
Charity begins at home ; get off the keyboard and start working on being SRK a la Swades! I don't have such lofty aspirations nor do I owe India or its citizens anything.
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Posted by chandran1979 (1508) 14 Feb 2018#61
I didn't mean to offend anyone. If I did, I apologize. That was my point of view. All I am saying is with innovative business ideas India could become a better country, the same way early immigrants contributed to USA. Those innovations and investments helped USA to become a developed country and eventually powerful country in the world. Now in India there is a better business environment and improved infrastructure.
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Posted by vishal1981 (129) 14 Feb 2018#62
to TexDex:

Exactly my point!! I find it weird people preaching patriotism on an I140 forum while waiting on their GC.
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Posted by TexDex (844) 14 Feb 2018#63
@ Vishal, I can't be a hypocrite, sometimes I am too blunt to my own detriment. Anyways I am originally from Bombay, went to grad school here, been working 12 years in non IT. People clearly have been watching too many Akshay Kumar movies ! Maybe I should tweet a picture with a maxi pad too :)
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Posted by wanderer234 (45) 15 Feb 2018#64

I didn't mean to offend anyone. If I did, I apologize. That was my point of view. All I am saying is with innovative business ideas India could become a better country, the same way early immigrants contributed to USA. Those innovations and investments helped USA to become a developed country and eventually powerful country in the world. Now in India there is a better business environment and improved infrastructure.


to chandran1979:



Innovation is a by product of economic development, not a cause. New Zealand is a rich country and all they do is dairy production and some wool, not exactly high tech. Development happens when people stop cheating each other, respect contracts, develop civic sense. Its a culture thing, not something 1-2 million smart people can solve. India fails miserably at cooperation despite having millions of brilliant minds.

This perfectly explains the contradiction of having an advanced space program despite a poor manufacturing base. The former requires a bunch of smart people working in isolation creating 1-2 prototypes per year. The latter requires the whole nation to work as one as it relies on roads, electricity, education on a mass scale.

For decades after independence, India restricted emigration by currency controls and other methods, what good did that do? Stop worrying about the welfare of those billion people, most of whom you don't know, and worry about your own well being.
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Posted by chandran1979 (1508) 15 Feb 2018#65
to wanderer234:

I agree with you completely. Just want to add a thing for your point below

"Innovation is a by product of economic development, not a cause."

Yes. That is basically what I am preaching. IMO NRIs are wealthy enough to spend something on innovations. High risk investment but not exactly a charity. I don't know about NewZeland. But that is exactly what happened in USA. I.e. Some wealthy people investing in then newer tech such as rail roads, steel, clothing etc etc.. Infrastructure and capitalism developed around it (gathered by watching some documentaries and I love history of any country). Of course people at the top require some ethics too, may be it is the top of govt or corp body. I am with you on that. But there is also I think the investors can take one for the team (if you know what I mean). Anyhow each ones point of view is different. I respect that. Just wanted to get my point right. That is all.

Thanks for a civilized discussion.
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